Sunday, November 23, 2014
Some PC Gamers Need To Just Shut Up About PS4
Killzone Shadow: Fall is GG's PS4 title using only 1.GB of VRAM - PS4 has 8 to spare.

Some PC Gamers Need To Just Shut Up About PS4

I’m annoyed.

Never thought much of PC gaming. Though I never had anything against the group, (or anyone for that matter) I simply was never enticed by the platform for games since I mostly use it for others things. You know, things like working on my website, sending email back and forth – and you know… using the internet – stuff like that. The personal computer is a beast, the best piece of invention we’ve ever had and we thank God for it, right? Yes. Some of the people who play videogames on it, though, I can’t stand them now… not since the announcement of PS4 at least, when suddenly they started coming out of the woodwork with insulting lingo directed towards Sony’s new console, PlayStation 4.

On almost every website you venture, every forum you scan, every topic where PlayStation 4 is being discussed, these “gamers” find their way there and start talking elitist crap like, “oh, whatever, PS4 is weaker than my two-year old PC”, or totally uninformed rubbish like “ah, Crysis 3 looks better than anything PS4 will be able to produce”. They even go further, talking up trash about consoles on a whole, saying PC is where “true” gaming is, and soon consoles will be abolished. All irrelevant talk, to be sure, but it’s irked me to a point of explosion. If your platform is better, there’s no need to make a case for it… If indeed true gaming is on PC, console gamers, by the millions, would have jumped on board already – but it’s simply not. PC gaming isn’t as popular as these jokers would have you believe.

PS4's Infamous: Second Son - in-game footage

PS4’s Infamous: Second Son – in-game footage

Why do you think almost every popular game there is sell the most units on consoles? Yes, almost every game that’s released multiplatform see a huge disparity in sales, with the least sold units being on PC. Why is that? Why is it that one of PC’s biggest franchise, Crysis 2, sold more units on PS3 and Xbox 360 (not combined sales, rather per console) than it did on PC? It’s because the platform is not as popular as these elitist would have you believe!

Crysis 2 PC

Crysis 2 PS3

Crysis 2 Xbox 360

See what I mean? The biggest PC franchise does a shameful 600,000 units lifetime sales, while PS3 and Xbox 360 both hit over 1 million…

… Let’s look at The Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim. It’s a game PC gamers swear was made solely for their platform, however it’s also on PS3 and Xbox 360.

Skyrim PS3 – 4.47 Million Units Sold

Skyrim Xbox 360 – 7.04 million Units Sold

Skyrim PC – 2.75 Million Units Sold

How the hell are developers supposed to think of the PC market as the best thing since watermelon when multiplatform games on consoles constantly, utterly, outsell the platform? Why? Because games look better on there? Speaking of which…

Killzone: Shadow Fall In-game footage

Killzone: Shadow Fall In-game footage

… These PC elitists, if they wish to spend thousands of dollars on a PC rig, that’s good for them, but most gamers don’t have all that cash to spend trying to make games look better with expensive chips, and even if they did, I suspect it’s not a top priority. You must have a certain type of setup to enjoy PC to the max. Most gamers are in their 30s, and a lot of them have wives or girlfriends and children. They can’t change their bedroom into some geeky-looking underworld bunker. That won’t fly by a woman! Furthermore, they rather play on their couch, and would sometimes like to get their women and children into the fun (Vice-versa also, as there are as many girl gamers as there are guys).

But even the arguments about two-year old PCs being more powerful than the PlayStation 4 isn’t accurate. In fact, it’s a gross exaggeration. Listen to what an avowed PC fan, who’s built rigs for people, but who also has sense had to say about the whole argument PC gamers have been making concerning the power, or lack thereof of PlayStation 4. It’s the best article I’ve read on the matter by far. Below is an excerpt, but I’d encourage to read the full thing:

Now we hear a lot about how the PS4′s specs don’t match up to current PC’s. That what was demoed doesn’t look as gorgeous as Crysis 3 on max settings. I get that, I can understand where they are coming from, I’ve been gaming on a PC all of my life. I’ve played the Decents, Heretics, Dooms, 7th Guests, Wing Commanders, X-Wing and Tie Fighters (where is a sequel at?), every game LucasArts, Valve, Blizzard, and id Software have put out. I have also done all of these on custom built computers that either myself or my dad has put together. Hell I was taught how to install RAM and remove the BIOS battery before riding a bike. However, in all of this, I think there are some unfair comparisons being made. So far there is not a direct way of purchasing a similarly designed system. There is not an 8 core APU for purchase. Most people are just running a quad core setup. Not to mention the PS4 has a second chip for background processes that helps take even more load off the APU. There is no memory available to purchase that provides the same speed as the PS4. Sure you might have 16 GB of DDR3 for your system and 3 GB of GDDR5 for your video, but it’s not the same as the PS4′s unified 8 GB of GDDR5 clocked at 176 GB/s for system and video. Comparatively non-overclocked DDR3-1333 for PC’s transfer data at 10.7 GB/s. Also, unless you’ve built a completely new computer in the last 6 months, you’re probably not running a complete PCI Express 3.0 Setup. Meaning your MOBO, CPU, and GPU all have to be equipped with it. This means your bus speeds could be aiding in the bottlenecking of your system. Even still PCI 3.0 can’t compete with the bus speeds within an APU. I’m not saying that the PS4 is the end all be all machine, but it might be better equipped than it is given credit for. They also have a clear advantage of being able to write to the metal. There is no cumbersome OS or layers that a typical system has to work through. PC development also has to think about the least common factor when developing a title. It doesn’t make sense for a developer just to build a game for the 10%. Not everyone owns a GTX 680 and even comparably that is a card with 2GB of RAM at $500. That alone will probably be more than the price of Sony’s new console. To build a similar spec’d PC you may need to consider the greater sum of it’s parts than low balling it. I helped a friend build a computer last month and he had a budget of around $1100 (the link for parts can be found here.) and I’ll go out on a limb and say that the PS4 still has a distinct edge.

So even a huge PC fan, one who has actual knowledge of how these things work, has sided with PlayStation 4, reckoning that it has a “distinct edge” on the most up-to-date PC rig out there.

I could go on and on, but This is enough. PC gamers need to just shut up already. Go back to your setup and play your games. Because all this hate is annoying, and shows what you really think about console gamers.

We are all people looking to have fun enjoying our favorite pastime. There’s no need for all the stupid ‘my 2yr old PC is more powerful than your new PS4″ shots, especially when it is a blatant lie.

About Ernice Gilbert

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  • Savage

    You have to buy the new hardware.. Its not like the new hardware is given to you for free.. So your argument is kinda stupid.

  • rbay

    Ok, I apologize to be like those people but let me state some facts, I’m no ging to go overboard because pc, and consoles have there ups and downs, and let me just apologize in advanced for missing spaces and missing letters, I bought a new keyboard and its still wearing in. So first, there is no console game you can’t get on pc, I know yourprobably going to go off on me and name games likethe last of us and all f the infamous games, however I have the last of uson my pc, and infamous 2, I also have all the halo’s up into reach. So its not like pc can’t getthosegames, something called emulators. Second, pc ca produce better graphics, you can not yell at me for saying tat, because its true, consoles cant affordto produce there consles with geforce titans, or even amd radeon 4gb, the only downside to pc is that it takes 1,010 dollars to have good gaming pc. Truly the onlyconsole that you cant get the same gamesoff of anywhere else is pc too, I can named over 100 games right off the back, and you can even walk up t me in person and I can name over 100 gamesthat consoles can’t get that pc have. So thank you for readingand finishing, I hope i didn’t piss you off even more, :-) I just thought you’d like to know. P.S. the picture is froma video game, only from pc, that is not available for other consoles.

  • hobb

    i meant!!! developers has to opttimized games for many types of gpu and cpu etc and every ps 4 has the same hardware/ xbox one too!!!!

  • BuckNasty84

    18 months later and you still look like shit with this opinion piece. I can’t believe you based your entire argument on RETAIL NUMBERS ONLY when 99% of all PC game sales happen DIGITALLY.

  • ernicegilbert

    My opinion still stands. And I still think it’s solid.

  • BuckNasty84
  • http://www.hypertiz/deviantart.com Matthew James Gargan

    I think they are referring to their pc building etc.

    not buying a whoel computer from scratch etc?

  • http://www.hypertiz/deviantart.com Matthew James Gargan

    precisely :

    I’m a unbiased console gamer but meh.

    I know more then what the general knowledgeable teenage (or Children) gamers.

  • http://www.hypertiz/deviantart.com Matthew James Gargan

    Its never ending quite frankly im pissed at the brainless idiots asserting their unwanted biased and brazen loyalty

  • http://www.hypertiz/deviantart.com Matthew James Gargan

    Really?

    Im a PS3 gamer but what?

  • Section8

    Look up any high res pics from most ps3 or ps4 exclusives and match it against a non-modded pc game. Mic drop on pc.

  • http://www.hypertiz/deviantart.com Matthew James Gargan

    “Mic drop on pc.”

    I’m not defending them ( well a little bit, to be honest here. Consoles) and all but, comparing launch games to exceptional long running personal computers is somewhat useless,

    anyway despite that, I guess comparing to Planetside 2, it smashes it. Hmmm… ponders at Planet Side 2 on PS4 (Not out yet obviously),

    Im going to blindly assume they will both be equal in terms of graphical ability HOWEVER,

    Its is deemed HIGHLY Likely it will be 30fps

    *Just a hunch* who knows :

  • http://www.hypertiz/deviantart.com Matthew James Gargan

    “https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BmENB5CKOEY”

    Crysis 3 VS Killzone Shadowfall [PC VS PS4]

  • http://www.hypertiz/deviantart.com Matthew James Gargan

    Something like below?

  • http://www.hypertiz/deviantart.com Matthew James Gargan

    “” YOU CAN PLAY VIDEO GAMES ON YOUR PC WITH A CONTROLLER, ON A COUCH, IN FRONT OF HUGE-ASS TELEVISION TOO!””

    I sound like an idiot a few months ago, regardless

    “PC doesn’t mean the game was designed to feel fluid using a controller, and you have to set your
    key bindings and memorize them for each game. Consoles are still a

    superior choice if you want to use a controller IMO.”

    True :

    But for online compitiveness obviously :| A HUGE Disadvantage.

  • Section8

    I don’t think Planet Side looks graphically superior to even most ps3 games.

  • http://www.hypertiz/deviantart.com Matthew James Gargan

    Crysis 3 etc on PS3 and PC not even different BUT

    Open World Consoles vs Open World PC

    Huge difference (Last Gen vs PC) Minimal (Current Gen vs PC)

    EG Watch Dogs for example.

  • http://www.hypertiz/deviantart.com Matthew James Gargan

    Actually Xbox One is 900p?

    and PS4 and reach 720p – 1080p (otherwise upscaled)

  • http://www.hypertiz/deviantart.com Matthew James Gargan

    He has a point..

    SOURCE: http://www.gamespot.com/forums/system-wars-314159282/ps4-vs-high-end-pc-what-you-guys-dont-know-29368024/

    “It surprises me how little most hermits on this board know about PC hardware. Not all of you, some of you are great and know what you’re talking about. But most of you are really ridiculous.

    Here are a few points I have not really seen even mentioned here before and it’s pretty surprising.

    1. Apples to Oranges – Some of you are comparing the PS4 components against a PC as if they were both gaming PCs. You guys are forgetting that the PS4 is a dedicated gaming box. This means it doesn’t have to worry about running any other software and there is not big bloated OS to worry about either.

    Imagine comparing a Cadillac Escalade with 300hp vs a Porsche Cayman with 300hp. They may have the same amount of horsepower but the Cayman was built for speed. It’s much lighter, more aerodynamic and will run much faster than the Escalade. Of course the Escalade is much more comfortable, fits more people, more luggage and has more luxury features. But if you’re only comparing speed, the Cayman is a lot faster.

    Of course an Escalade can be faster than a Cayman, but not if they have the same amount of horsepower. Maybe if the Escalade had 600hp then it may be able to beat the Cayman in a straight line.

    Anyway, you get the point. You can’t compare the ‘7860’ in the PS3 directly to a PC with a 7850/7870 GPU. It doesn’t make a good direct comparison.

    2. $$$Uber GPU$$$ – You love to talk about how super powerful PC GPUs are. The GTX 680 or the Titan are monsters. Ok but what you are forgetting is that 99% of the NEW GAMES these GPUs run, also run on the 360 and PS3. The only thing they are currently doing is higher res, more detailed textures, higher fps, higher AA and better lighting and shadow details.

    But the games are built for the 360 and PS3. Why do you think it’s more relevant to compare the PS4 hardware to high end PC hardware(THAT IS NEVER TRULY UTILIZED) than to compare it to 360 and PS3 hardware that 99% of games are BUILT TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF?

    Compare the PS4’s GPU to the 360 or PS3 GPUs. Then you will notice A HUGE JUMP! Compare the CPUs, again another big gap. The RAM, the PS3 has 16X the amount and 8X the speed, HUUUUUGE DIFFERENCE!!!

    Those of us who are comparing the PS4 to current gen are the ones who are impressed. I know there are PCs out there that cost in the thousands of dollars that are more powerful but no one wants a super high priced console.

    3. LET’S MISINFORM!!! – I love that thread recently where some Hermit claimed PCs were getting DDR5 RAM this year so that makes the PS4’s 8GB of DDR5 no longer impressive. However, that wasn’t really true.

    What is great about DDR5 memory is the BANDWIDTH. In other words, the SPEED of the memory. The average PC today, even a gaming PC uses DDR3 RAM. DDR3 RAM with a typical speed of 1600Mhz has a memory bandwidth of around 25/Gbs. That’s roughly equal to the Xbox 360 and PS3!!! You got that, HIGH END PCS today use system RAM that is as SLOW as 360 and PS3 memory.

    If you guys clicked the link in that thread it explained that the DDR5 memory that is coming to PCs this year will give us a bandwidth of around 50/Gbs which is double what we have now. But nowhere near the 176/Gbs that will be in the PS4.

    The truth is that DDR5 is only coming at that speed in certain limited configurations. The real jump will be next year when ALL PCs move to DDR4 memory. But then the memory WILL NOT be running at 176/Gbs.

    It will take YEARS for PCs to use system ram that run as fast as the PS4’s 8GB DDR5 Memory. Maybe by the time the PS5 is out, PCs will reach that point.

    Conclusion – It’s a give and take when you are developing a console. You can’t have a super powerful system AND make it cheap AND have it run cool with low power consumption. Something’s got to give. If it’s uber powerful, it won’t be cheap or run cool. If it’s cheap, it won’t be powerful but can be power effecient. What the PS4 is accomplishing is a HUGE JUMP over current gen, while keeping a low price and a very elegant, power effecient design that will run very cool.

    Why wouldn’t we be happy about consoles that are a massive leap ahead of what we have now but also will not overheat and be cheap? Because some Uninformed hermits are damage controlling and spreading misinformation? No, i’m excited for the PS4! Day one!!!

    Discuss”

  • http://www.hypertiz/deviantart.com Matthew James Gargan

    You only need to upgrade parts correct, yet a PS3/PS4 etc is brand new entire machine.

    I know, im a console gamer and im baffled at his misunderstanding…

    “He has a point..
    SOURCE: http://www.gamespot.com/forums/system-wars-314159282/ps4-vs-high-end-pc-what-you-guys-dont-know-29368024/

    “It surprises me how little most hermits on this board know about PC hardware. Not all of you, some of you are great and know what you’re talking about. But most of you are really ridiculous.

    Here are a few points I have not really seen even mentioned here before and it’s pretty surprising.

    1. Apples to Oranges – Some of you are comparing the PS4 components against a PC as if they were both gaming PCs. You guys are forgetting that the PS4 is a dedicated gaming box. This means it doesn’t have to worry about running any other software and there is not big bloated OS to worry about either.

    Imagine comparing a Cadillac Escalade with 300hp vs a Porsche Cayman with 300hp. They may have the same amount of horsepower but the Cayman was built for speed. It’s much lighter, more aerodynamic and will run much faster than the Escalade. Of course the Escalade is much more comfortable, fits more people, more luggage and has more luxury features. But if you’re only comparing speed, the Cayman is a lot faster.

    Of course an Escalade can be faster than a Cayman, but not if they have the same amount of horsepower. Maybe if the Escalade had 600hp then it may be able to beat the Cayman in a straight line.

    Anyway, you get the point. You can’t compare the ‘7860’ in the PS3 directly to a PC with a 7850/7870 GPU. It doesn’t make a good direct comparison.

    2. $$$Uber GPU$$$ – You love to talk about how super powerful PC GPUs are. The GTX 680 or the Titan are monsters. Ok but what you are forgetting is that 99% of the NEW GAMES these GPUs run, also run on the 360 and PS3. The only thing they are currently doing is higher res, more detailed textures, higher fps, higher AA and better lighting and shadow details.

    But the games are built for the 360 and PS3. Why do you think it’s more relevant to compare the PS4 hardware to high end PC hardware(THAT IS NEVER TRULY UTILIZED) than to compare it to 360 and PS3 hardware that 99% of games are BUILT TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF?

    Compare the PS4’s GPU to the 360 or PS3 GPUs. Then you will notice A HUGE JUMP! Compare the CPUs, again another big gap. The RAM, the PS3 has 16X the amount and 8X the speed, HUUUUUGE DIFFERENCE!!!

    Those of us who are comparing the PS4 to current gen are the ones who are impressed. I know there are PCs out there that cost in the thousands of dollars that are more powerful but no one wants a super high priced console.

    3. LET’S MISINFORM!!! – I love that thread recently where some Hermit claimed PCs were getting DDR5 RAM this year so that makes the PS4’s 8GB of DDR5 no longer impressive. However, that wasn’t really true.

    What is great about DDR5 memory is the BANDWIDTH. In other words, the SPEED of the memory. The average PC today, even a gaming PC uses DDR3 RAM. DDR3 RAM with a typical speed of 1600Mhz has a memory bandwidth of around 25/Gbs. That’s roughly equal to the Xbox 360 and PS3!!! You got that, HIGH END PCS today use system RAM that is as SLOW as 360 and PS3 memory.

    If you guys clicked the link in that thread it explained that the DDR5 memory that is coming to PCs this year will give us a bandwidth of around 50/Gbs which is double what we have now. But nowhere near the 176/Gbs that will be in the PS4.

    The truth is that DDR5 is only coming at that speed in certain limited configurations. The real jump will be next year when ALL PCs move to DDR4 memory. But then the memory WILL NOT be running at 176/Gbs.

    It will take YEARS for PCs to use system ram that run as fast as the PS4’s 8GB DDR5 Memory. Maybe by the time the PS5 is out, PCs will reach that point.

    Conclusion – It’s a give and take when you are developing a console. You can’t have a super powerful system AND make it cheap AND have it run cool with low power consumption. Something’s got to give. If it’s uber powerful, it won’t be cheap or run cool. If it’s cheap, it won’t be powerful but can be power effecient. What the PS4 is accomplishing is a HUGE JUMP over current gen, while keeping a low price and a very elegant, power effecient design that will run very cool.

    Why wouldn’t we be happy about consoles that are a massive leap ahead of what we have now but also will not overheat and be cheap? Because some Uninformed hermits are damage controlling and spreading misinformation? No, i’m excited for the PS4! Day one!!!

    Discuss”

  • http://www.hypertiz/deviantart.com Matthew James Gargan

    Your thinking of purchesing an entirely NEW PC,
    they are referring to building a old pc to a powerful one, through upgrading individual parts.

    (Plays Playstation 3, so do not bash me for being a “insert generic pc insult”)

  • http://www.hypertiz/deviantart.com Matthew James Gargan

    Exactly.

    (I may be a console gamer, regardless, I understand how it is done, (eg cheap and powerful hardware parts etc))

  • http://www.hypertiz/deviantart.com Matthew James Gargan

    Touchpad is a nice touch, BUT Motion Controls? wtf? its dumb. :

  • http://www.hypertiz/deviantart.com Matthew James Gargan

    http://www.theultimategamer.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/Steam-Controller.jpg

    sums it up i guess…

    its strange, honestly im baffled by how it will work. (in general)

  • http://www.hypertiz/deviantart.com Matthew James Gargan

    The only use motion controls is useful is likely plane games etc otherwise, meh.

  • http://www.hypertiz/deviantart.com Matthew James Gargan

    “http://gamingbolt.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/12/PlanetSide2_3.jpg”

    http://www.mmobomb.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/planetside-2-screenshot.jpg

    “http://images.vg247.com/current//2013/10/Killzone-Shadow-Fall1-1152×648.jpg”

    Sorry if they are terrible screenshot examples

    To be honest they are both on par.

    I think its comparing Apple with Oranges as one said

    “”
    SOURCE: http://www.gamespot.com/forums

    “It surprises me how little most hermits on this board know about PC hardware. Not all of you, some of you are great and know what you’re talking about. But most of you are really ridiculous.

    Here are a few points I have not really seen even mentioned here before and it’s pretty surprising.

    1. Apples to Oranges – Some of you are comparing the PS4 components against a PC as if they were both gaming PCs. You guys are forgetting that the PS4 is a dedicated gaming box. This means it doesn’t have to worry about running any other software and there is not big bloated OS to worry about either.

    Imagine comparing a Cadillac Escalade with 300hp vs a Porsche Cayman with 300hp. They may have the same amount of horsepower but the Cayman was built for speed. It’s much lighter, more aerodynamic and will run much faster than the Escalade. Of course the Escalade is much more comfortable, fits more people, more luggage and has more luxury features. But if you’re only comparing speed, the Cayman is a lot faster.

    Of course an Escalade can be faster than a Cayman, but not if they have the same amount of horsepower. Maybe if the Escalade had 600hp then it may be able to beat the Cayman in a straight line.

    Anyway, you get the point. You can’t compare the ‘7860’ in the PS3 directly to a PC with a 7850/7870 GPU. It doesn’t make a good direct comparison.

    2. $$$Uber GPU$$$ – You love to talk about how super powerful PC GPUs are. The GTX 680 or the Titan are monsters. Ok but what you are forgetting is that 99% of the NEW GAMES these GPUs run, also run on the 360 and PS3. The only thing they are currently doing is higher res, more detailed textures, higher fps, higher AA and better lighting and shadow details.

    But the games are built for the 360 and PS3. Why do you think it’s more relevant to compare the PS4 hardware to high end PC hardware(THAT IS NEVER TRULY UTILIZED) than to compare it to 360 and PS3 hardware that 99% of games are BUILT TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF?

    Compare the PS4’s GPU to the 360 or PS3 GPUs. Then you will notice A HUGE JUMP! Compare the CPUs, again another big gap. The RAM, the PS3 has 16X the amount and 8X the speed, HUUUUUGE DIFFERENCE!!!

    Those of us who are comparing the PS4 to current gen are the ones who are impressed. I know there are PCs out there that cost in the thousands of dollars that are more powerful but no one wants a super high priced console.

    3. LET’S MISINFORM!!! – I love that thread recently where some Hermit claimed PCs were getting DDR5 RAM this year so that makes the PS4’s 8GB of DDR5 no longer impressive. However, that wasn’t really true.

    What is great about DDR5 memory is the BANDWIDTH. In other words, the SPEED of the memory. The average PC today, even a gaming PC uses DDR3 RAM. DDR3 RAM with a typical speed of 1600Mhz has a memory bandwidth of around 25/Gbs. That’s roughly equal to the Xbox 360 and PS3!!! You got that, HIGH END PCS today use system RAM that is as SLOW as 360 and PS3 memory.

    If you guys clicked the link in that thread it explained that the DDR5 memory that is coming to PCs this year will give us a bandwidth of around 50/Gbs which is double what we have now. But nowhere near the 176/Gbs that will be in the PS4.

    The truth is that DDR5 is only coming at that speed in certain limited configurations. The real jump will be next year when ALL PCs move to DDR4 memory. But then the memory WILL NOT be running at 176/Gbs.

    It will take YEARS for PCs to use system ram that run as fast as the PS4’s 8GB DDR5 Memory. Maybe by the time the PS5 is out, PCs will reach that point.

    Conclusion – It’s a give and take when you are developing a console. You can’t have a super powerful system AND make it cheap AND have it run cool with low power consumption. Something’s got to give. If it’s uber powerful, it won’t be cheap or run cool. If it’s cheap, it won’t be powerful but can be power effecient. What the PS4 is accomplishing is a HUGE JUMP over current gen, while keeping a low price and a very elegant, power effecient design that will run very cool.

    Why wouldn’t we be happy about consoles that are a massive leap ahead of what we have now but also will not overheat and be cheap? Because some Uninformed hermits are damage controlling and spreading misinformation? No, i’m excited for the PS4! Day one!!!

    Discuss””

  • http://www.hypertiz/deviantart.com Matthew James Gargan

    PS6? Dude it does not exist, thats extreme exaggeration, clearly.

  • http://www.hypertiz/deviantart.com Matthew James Gargan

    F Y I,

    “”He has a point..

    SOURCE: http://www.gamespot.com/forums

    “It surprises me how little most hermits on this board know about PC hardware. Not all of you, some of you are great and know what you’re talking about. But most of you are really ridiculous.

    Here are a few points I have not really seen even mentioned here before and it’s pretty surprising.

    1. Apples to Oranges – Some of you are comparing the PS4 components against a PC as if they were both gaming PCs. You guys are forgetting that the PS4 is a dedicated gaming box. This means it doesn’t have to worry about running any other software and there is not big bloated OS to worry about either.

    Imagine comparing a Cadillac Escalade with 300hp vs a Porsche Cayman with 300hp. They may have the same amount of horsepower but the Cayman was built for speed. It’s much lighter, more aerodynamic and will run much faster than the Escalade. Of course the Escalade is much more comfortable, fits more people, more luggage and has more luxury features. But if you’re only comparing speed, the Cayman is a lot faster.

    Of course an Escalade can be faster than a Cayman, but not if they have the same amount of horsepower. Maybe if the Escalade had 600hp then it may be able to beat the Cayman in a straight line.

    Anyway, you get the point. You can’t compare the ‘7860’ in the PS3 directly to a PC with a 7850/7870 GPU. It doesn’t make a good direct comparison.

    2. $$$Uber GPU$$$ – You love to talk about how super powerful PC GPUs are. The GTX 680 or the Titan are monsters. Ok but what you are forgetting is that 99% of the NEW GAMES these GPUs run, also run on the 360 and PS3. The only thing they are currently doing is higher res, more detailed textures, higher fps, higher AA and better lighting and shadow details.

    But the games are built for the 360 and PS3. Why do you think it’s more relevant to compare the PS4 hardware to high end PC hardware(THAT IS NEVER TRULY UTILIZED) than to compare it to 360 and PS3 hardware that 99% of games are BUILT TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF?

    Compare the PS4’s GPU to the 360 or PS3 GPUs. Then you will notice A HUGE JUMP! Compare the CPUs, again another big gap. The RAM, the PS3 has 16X the amount and 8X the speed, HUUUUUGE DIFFERENCE!!!

    Those of us who are comparing the PS4 to current gen are the ones who are impressed. I know there are PCs out there that cost in the thousands of dollars that are more powerful but no one wants a super high priced console.

    3. LET’S MISINFORM!!! – I love that thread recently where some Hermit claimed PCs were getting DDR5 RAM this year so that makes the PS4’s 8GB of DDR5 no longer impressive. However, that wasn’t really true.

    What is great about DDR5 memory is the BANDWIDTH. In other words, the SPEED of the memory. The average PC today, even a gaming PC uses DDR3 RAM. DDR3 RAM with a typical speed of 1600Mhz has a memory bandwidth of around 25/Gbs. That’s roughly equal to the Xbox 360 and PS3!!! You got that, HIGH END PCS today use system RAM that is as SLOW as 360 and PS3 memory.

    If you guys clicked the link in that thread it explained that the DDR5 memory that is coming to PCs this year will give us a bandwidth of around 50/Gbs which is double what we have now. But nowhere near the 176/Gbs that will be in the PS4.

    The truth is that DDR5 is only coming at that speed in certain limited configurations. The real jump will be next year when ALL PCs move to DDR4 memory. But then the memory WILL NOT be running at 176/Gbs.

    It will take YEARS for PCs to use system ram that run as fast as the PS4’s 8GB DDR5 Memory. Maybe by the time the PS5 is out, PCs will reach that point.

    Conclusion – It’s a give and take when you are developing a console. You can’t have a super powerful system AND make it cheap AND have it run cool with low power consumption. Something’s got to give. If it’s uber powerful, it won’t be cheap or run cool. If it’s cheap, it won’t be powerful but can be power effecient. What the PS4 is accomplishing is a HUGE JUMP over current gen, while keeping a low price and a very elegant, power effecient design that will run very cool.

    Why wouldn’t we be happy about consoles that are a massive leap ahead of what we have now but also will not overheat and be cheap? Because some Uninformed hermits are damage controlling and spreading misinformation? No, i’m excited for the PS4! Day one!!!””

    Apples and Oranges.

    One is a dedicated gaming technology which will use every juice as a gaming system and after all the creators, Sony and Microsoft is taking into account of Watt Usage and being Powerful as well at the same time whereas.

    PC/MAC is an all in one machine which can deliver and all areas and has NO LIMITS to POWER/ WATTS CONSUMPTION, and an OS. Thus why it is superior no matter what.
    (Except the ports, which to be quite frankly, would piss me off if I was an PC gamer)
    Until the whole world can earn enough wage to all get their own gaming computer its highly unlikely.

    “…I did some upgrades for around $200 and I’m getting as much power as a PS6″

    “your typing this from what dipshit?” ~ Dan is Retarded

    (Remove d**shit with “?”)

  • http://www.hypertiz/deviantart.com Matthew James Gargan

    “”He has a point..

    SOURCE: http://www.gamespot.com/forums

    “It surprises me how little most hermits on this board know about PC hardware. Not all of you, some of you are great and know what you’re talking about. But most of you are really ridiculous.

    Here are a few points I have not really seen even mentioned here before and it’s pretty surprising.

    1. Apples to Oranges – Some of you are comparing the PS4 components against a PC as if they were both gaming PCs. You guys are forgetting that the PS4 is a dedicated gaming box. This means it doesn’t have to worry about running any other software and there is not big bloated OS to worry about either.

    Imagine comparing a Cadillac Escalade with 300hp vs a Porsche Cayman with 300hp. They may have the same amount of horsepower but the Cayman was built for speed. It’s much lighter, more aerodynamic and will run much faster than the Escalade. Of course the Escalade is much more comfortable, fits more people, more luggage and has more luxury features. But if you’re only comparing speed, the Cayman is a lot faster.

    Of course an Escalade can be faster than a Cayman, but not if they have the same amount of horsepower. Maybe if the Escalade had 600hp then it may be able to beat the Cayman in a straight line.

    Anyway, you get the point. You can’t compare the ‘7860’ in the PS3 directly to a PC with a 7850/7870 GPU. It doesn’t make a good direct comparison.

    2. $$$Uber GPU$$$ – You love to talk about how super powerful PC GPUs are. The GTX 680 or the Titan are monsters. Ok but what you are forgetting is that 99% of the NEW GAMES these GPUs run, also run on the 360 and PS3. The only thing they are currently doing is higher res, more detailed textures, higher fps, higher AA and better lighting and shadow details.

    But the games are built for the 360 and PS3. Why do you think it’s more relevant to compare the PS4 hardware to high end PC hardware(THAT IS NEVER TRULY UTILIZED) than to compare it to 360 and PS3 hardware that 99% of games are BUILT TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF?

    Compare the PS4’s GPU to the 360 or PS3 GPUs. Then you will notice A HUGE JUMP! Compare the CPUs, again another big gap. The RAM, the PS3 has 16X the amount and 8X the speed, HUUUUUGE DIFFERENCE!!!

    Those of us who are comparing the PS4 to current gen are the ones who are impressed. I know there are PCs out there that cost in the thousands of dollars that are more powerful but no one wants a super high priced console.

    3. LET’S MISINFORM!!! – I love that thread recently where some Hermit claimed PCs were getting DDR5 RAM this year so that makes the PS4’s 8GB of DDR5 no longer impressive. However, that wasn’t really true.

    What is great about DDR5 memory is the BANDWIDTH. In other words, the SPEED of the memory. The average PC today, even a gaming PC uses DDR3 RAM. DDR3 RAM with a typical speed of 1600Mhz has a memory bandwidth of around 25/Gbs. That’s roughly equal to the Xbox 360 and PS3!!! You got that, HIGH END PCS today use system RAM that is as SLOW as 360 and PS3 memory.

    If you guys clicked the link in that thread it explained that the DDR5 memory that is coming to PCs this year will give us a bandwidth of around 50/Gbs which is double what we have now. But nowhere near the 176/Gbs that will be in the PS4.

    The truth is that DDR5 is only coming at that speed in certain limited configurations. The real jump will be next year when ALL PCs move to DDR4 memory. But then the memory WILL NOT be running at 176/Gbs.

    It will take YEARS for PCs to use system ram that run as fast as the PS4’s 8GB DDR5 Memory. Maybe by the time the PS5 is out, PCs will reach that point.

    Conclusion – It’s a give and take when you are developing a console. You can’t have a super powerful system AND make it cheap AND have it run cool with low power consumption. Something’s got to give. If it’s uber powerful, it won’t be cheap or run cool. If it’s cheap, it won’t be powerful but can be power effecient. What the PS4 is accomplishing is a HUGE JUMP over current gen, while keeping a low price and a very elegant, power effecient design that will run very cool.

    Why wouldn’t we be happy about consoles that are a massive leap ahead of what we have now but also will not overheat and be cheap? Because some Uninformed hermits are damage controlling and spreading misinformation? No, i’m excited for the PS4! Day one!!!””

    Apples and Oranges.

    One is a dedicated gaming technology which will use every juice as a gaming system and after all the creators, Sony and Microsoft is taking into account of Watt Usage and being Powerful as well at the same time whereas.

    PC/MAC is an all in one machine which can deliver and all areas and has NO LIMITS to POWER/ WATTS CONSUMPTION, and an OS. Thus why it is superior no matter what.
    (Except the ports, which to be quite frankly, would piss me off if I was an PC gamer)
    Until the whole world can earn enough wage to all get their own gaming computer its highly unlikely.

    “…I did some upgrades for around $200 and I’m getting as much power as a PS6″

    “your typing this from what dipshit?” ~ Dan is Retarded

    (Remove d**shit with “?”)

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  • Garga

    May I still argue that the raw power of a todays mid class Graphic Cards is much better than the power of the Ps4’s 7860. But the point is what you can get out of it. Sure the PS4 has many advantages through the Architecture as it seems first look.

    But in the End the PS4 is only a mediocre gaming PC that can be pushed higher than a mediocre Gaming PC through its Architecture. I Remember EA saying a PC could not handle their Ignite Sports Engine. A Year Later ignite comes to PC although nothing has changed. Many PC Players complained about EA making false statements and EA admitted: “We have understood!” :D An the fact that the Console is only a mediocre Gaming PC is why Star Citizen never will run on any console.

    It is unmistakably true that there are some dimwits trying to convince others of false statements and such. Especially claiming DDR5 comes to PC. But there are techniques like matle that greatly enhance the Performance of PCs gaming power. And having seen what Games have been shown on E3. There was nothing that blew me away. (ok personal opinion). But the fact is. As much as Sony and microsoft would like to praise their new consoles they did not impress the “real” Experts. And these are Gaming Sites, Gaming Magazines and such.

    Don’t get me wrong. I know why people love their Console. But I also know how some console players don’t know that the PC already had a gamepad when there even was no console on the market. Infact, I played my first PC FIFA in 1993 (International Soccer) with a gamepad.

    But May I also put in the price argument again? Especially why they are so cheap.

    A PS4 is 400 Euros. And say you play 5 games a year. Each game costs about 70 Euros for PS4. So in 4 years you paid a total of 1800 Euros.

    A decent gaming PC costs around 1000 Euros. For sure you can buy a PC for 2000 Euros but that includes much unused power nowadays. None the less PC games are on the Market for around 50 Euro and even much less if you buy on a Steam Sale for example. And say you play 5 Games a Year. without the Sales we would pay a total of 2000 Euros for Games and the PC in 4 Years. And everyone who says that he needs to upgrade his PC every year has clearly done something wrong in building his gaming pc.

    Oh and not to forget that Sony admitted that they should have sold their PS3 at a higher price than they have. Cause they made significant losses and could only absorb them with the selling of their games. But they didn’t nearly make as much profit as they expected.

    And last but not least the PS4 can be seen as a gaming PC cause of its x86 structure. And the PC gets closer to Consoles with techniques like mantle and the upcoming direct x 12. Of course there’s more to it, But more is already too much for most people out there.

    All in all I’m not saying the consoles are bad. I only get the feeling they could and should have been better than what they actually turn out to be. But what relly matters is the Fun. And as long as you have fun playing, no matter if on Console or on PC, than everything is fine.

  • hobb

    i ment lots of hardware to chose from……

  • Ananas

    i didnt read it i dont care about playstation fanboy cries but pc is superior in every way to consoles and thats fact and i wont change no matter how much you cry

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  • Brian Blair

    Wow! LOL!

    Some PC Gamers Need To Just Shut Up About PS4! LOL

    Wow! Sorry Mr. Blogger! LOL. But numbers don’t lie, Only people lie trying their best not to be wrong.

    Why does the truth now offend people so much? Besides most PC users do not care about little consoles anyway, We just care about gaming and having fun. So if you enjoy your PS4 then that is fantastic. But saying people should just shut up just because you discovered your PS4 is not as good as you thought it was? Well that is kinda like the 4 year old in the high chair screaming because he got Chef Boyardee ravioli instead of the Chef Boyardee Lasagna. LOL. And people are discovering they can buy a PC now just as cheap, and have better graphics, and have much more features, Plus they can upgrade instead of being locked into one machine. So PC gaming is just becoming more attractive to gamers now. So it has nothing to do with anyone running at the mouth, It is just what is happening right now. And Gaming PC sales are at a all time high. The consoles would probably still be a attractive decision if Microsoft and Sony would have never set such ridiculous prices on the PS4 and XBox One. Every since the PS2 and the first Xbox came out, PC’s have started to become a better choice simply because the prices for the past 15 years have been insane and out of touch with reality. But Sony and Microsoft knew they could get away with those prices at the time. Because back then most people only thought of the internet when they thought of a PC, And the prices for PC’s were also very high back then. But now PC’s are very affordable! So the consoles are falling behind because they are overpriced and underpowered compared to a basic gaming PC, Your basic PS4 and Xbox One is priced at $399. The PS4 And Xbox One should be priced no more than $199. And as long as they continue with prices like that, They are going to continue to be a failure in sales. The future in Gaming is PC. It always has been since the the Commodore 64 days.