Saturday, May 25, 2013
Some PC Gamers Need To Just Shut Up About PS4

Some PC Gamers Need To Just Shut Up About PS4

I’m annoyed.

Never thought much of PC gaming. Though I never had anything against the group, (or anyone for that matter) I simply was never enticed by the platform for games since I mostly use it for others things. You know, things like working on my website, sending email back and forth – and you know… using the internet – stuff like that. The personal computer is a beast, the best piece of invention we’ve ever had and we thank God for it, right? Yes. Some of the people who play videogames on it, though, I can’t stand them now… not since the announcement of PS4 at least, when suddenly they started coming out of the woodwork with insulting lingo directed towards Sony’s new console, PlayStation 4.

On almost every website you venture, every forum you scan, every topic where PlayStation 4 is being discussed, these “gamers” find their way there and start talking elitist crap like, “oh, whatever, PS4 is weaker than my two-year old PC”, or totally uninformed rubbish like “ah, Crysis 3 looks better than anything PS4 will be able to produce”. They even go further, talking up trash about consoles on a whole, saying PC is where “true” gaming is, and soon consoles will be abolished. All irrelevant talk, to be sure, but it’s irked me to a point of explosion. If your platform is better, there’s no need to make a case for it… If indeed true gaming is on PC, console gamers, by the millions, would have jumped on board already – but it’s simply not. PC gaming isn’t as popular as these jokers would have you believe.

PS4's Infamous: Second Son - in-game footage

PS4′s Infamous: Second Son – in-game footage

Why do you think almost every popular game there is sell the most units on consoles? Yes, almost every game that’s released multiplatform see a huge disparity in sales, with the least sold units being on PC. Why is that? Why is it that one of PC’s biggest franchise, Crysis 2, sold more units on PS3 and Xbox 360 (not combined sales, rather per console) than it did on PC? It’s because the platform is not as popular as these elitist would have you believe!

Crysis 2 PC

Crysis 2 PS3

Crysis 2 Xbox 360

See what I mean? The biggest PC franchise does a shameful 600,000 units lifetime sales, while PS3 and Xbox 360 both hit over 1 million…

… Let’s look at The Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim. It’s a game PC gamers swear was made solely for their platform, however it’s also on PS3 and Xbox 360.

Skyrim PS3 – 4.47 Million Units Sold

Skyrim Xbox 360 – 7.04 million Units Sold

Skyrim PC – 2.75 Million Units Sold

How the hell are developers supposed to think of the PC market as the best thing since watermelon when multiplatform games on consoles constantly, utterly, outsell the platform? Why? Because games look better on there? Speaking of which…

Killzone: Shadow Fall In-game footage

Killzone: Shadow Fall In-game footage

… These PC elitists, if they wish to spend thousands of dollars on a PC rig, that’s good for them, but most gamers don’t have all that cash to spend trying to make games look better with expensive chips, and even if they did, I suspect it’s not a top priority. You must have a certain type of setup to enjoy PC to the max. Most gamers are in their 30s, and a lot of them have wives or girlfriends and children. They can’t change their bedroom into some geeky-looking underworld bunker. That won’t fly by a woman! Furthermore, they rather play on their couch, and would sometimes like to get their women and children into the fun (Vice-versa also, as there are as many girl gamers as there are guys).

But even the arguments about two-year old PCs being more powerful than the PlayStation 4 isn’t accurate. In fact, it’s a gross exaggeration. Listen to what an avowed PC fan, who’s built rigs for people, but who also has sense had to say about the whole argument PC gamers have been making concerning the power, or lack thereof of PlayStation 4. It’s the best article I’ve read on the matter by far. Below is an excerpt, but I’d encourage to read the full thing:

Now we hear a lot about how the PS4′s specs don’t match up to current PC’s. That what was demoed doesn’t look as gorgeous as Crysis 3 on max settings. I get that, I can understand where they are coming from, I’ve been gaming on a PC all of my life. I’ve played the Decents, Heretics, Dooms, 7th Guests, Wing Commanders, X-Wing and Tie Fighters (where is a sequel at?), every game LucasArts, Valve, Blizzard, and id Software have put out. I have also done all of these on custom built computers that either myself or my dad has put together. Hell I was taught how to install RAM and remove the BIOS battery before riding a bike. However, in all of this, I think there are some unfair comparisons being made. So far there is not a direct way of purchasing a similarly designed system. There is not an 8 core APU for purchase. Most people are just running a quad core setup. Not to mention the PS4 has a second chip for background processes that helps take even more load off the APU. There is no memory available to purchase that provides the same speed as the PS4. Sure you might have 16 GB of DDR3 for your system and 3 GB of GDDR5 for your video, but it’s not the same as the PS4′s unified 8 GB of GDDR5 clocked at 176 GB/s for system and video. Comparatively non-overclocked DDR3-1333 for PC’s transfer data at 10.7 GB/s. Also, unless you’ve built a completely new computer in the last 6 months, you’re probably not running a complete PCI Express 3.0 Setup. Meaning your MOBO, CPU, and GPU all have to be equipped with it. This means your bus speeds could be aiding in the bottlenecking of your system. Even still PCI 3.0 can’t compete with the bus speeds within an APU. I’m not saying that the PS4 is the end all be all machine, but it might be better equipped than it is given credit for. They also have a clear advantage of being able to write to the metal. There is no cumbersome OS or layers that a typical system has to work through. PC development also has to think about the least common factor when developing a title. It doesn’t make sense for a developer just to build a game for the 10%. Not everyone owns a GTX 680 and even comparably that is a card with 2GB of RAM at $500. That alone will probably be more than the price of Sony’s new console. To build a similar spec’d PC you may need to consider the greater sum of it’s parts than low balling it. I helped a friend build a computer last month and he had a budget of around $1100 (the link for parts can be found here.) and I’ll go out on a limb and say that the PS4 still has a distinct edge.

So even a huge PC fan, one who has actual knowledge of how these things work, has sided with PlayStation 4, reckoning that it has a “distinct edge” on the most up-to-date PC rig out there.

I could go on and on, but This is enough. PC gamers need to just shut up already. Go back to your setup and play your games. Because all this hate is annoying, and shows what you really think about console gamers.

We are all people looking to have fun enjoying our favorite pastime. There’s no need for all the stupid ‘my 2yr old PC is more powerful than your new PS4″ shots, especially when it is a blatant lie.

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  • foxton

    @ Killa and @Z
    take your geeky pc shit somewhere else :) stop masterbating over your gigs and rams and graphics cards and whatever else shit your babbling on about. PC’s will never beat consoles at gaming ease and enjoyability. The mass market proves that Console gaming is way ahead in terms of popularity and sheer ease. Now take your geeky computer talk elsewhere! this is a gaming site not a site where we compare whos gigs, rams GPU’s are the best!!! :)

  • Z

    @foxton: Butthurt much? I never said PC was better at gaming ease and enjoyability. In fact, if you actually read my comments, you’d see that I note that it is easier to game on consoles. I was just correcting some hardware misconceptions for anyone who would care to read.

  • narwall14

    @Z

    Don’t waste your time on fanboys that think a console is Gods creation.You have made you point no need to stress it.

  • SHADOWBOXER

    in my own opinion, i think consoles are just str8 up better then pc. Its more appealing to more people, and no offense its alot less geeky looking and sounds less geeky. Most people dont really care about super high graphics and etc. that you get with pc’s, and just fine with a normal console,
    I love having my ps3 and xbox360 out when i have alot of company around, can just drink and enjoy some games with everyone plus the laddies dig the dance central ;) .
    well thats my opinion , not saying im right or wrong.
    cheerss

  • foxton

    @Z thats my point clearly i didnt read all of your tripe. Do you really think id waste my time reading something i have no clue or desire to read. why would i waste minutes of my life reading that?!
    Everyone has their own opinion and i guess we all have to respect that. My previous post may have crossed the mark so i apologise, but IMO console gaiming is way better, way easier and way more entertaining.
    I think she PC fanboys need to revert back to the origional topic of this thread and shut up about ps4……

  • Z

    @foxton: I don’t want to start a flame ware or something, so I guess I’ll just accept your apology. I agree with you that console gaming is easier and more entertaining( but for me, not in every aspect).

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  • http://twitter.com/juanrga juanrga

    I am also annoyed.

    On my own experience PC gamers seem unable to understand some very basic facts such as “1 TFLOP-CONSOLE > 1 TFLOP-PC”.

    They also seem unable to understand that not everyone will be wasting $1200 on a mammoth gaming PC when can spend $400 on a tiny console.

    Finally, Sony has selected AMD hardware for the PS4 and this is also attracting the hate from Intel fanboys and Nvidia fanboys. In fact you only need to read what Nvidia is saying against the PS4 ultimately.

    jmc8888 Reply:

    Actually the $500 PC might beat out a potentially $600 console, and the PC has more uses and can be had NOW. Not end of this year.

    thor220 Reply:

    Not to mention the games are cheaper. You don’t have to pay sony or microsoft the hidden $10 license fee for each game.

    HHT Reply:

    400 dollars? Where does it confirm the PS4 will cost that much and who said you need to spend that much on a PC. Sony didn’t have choice after Nvidia decided to not produce the part for the PS4 so they went with AMD the only option they had left because we know they went to Nvidia first.

  • Joseph

    Those figures don’t count digital distribution which have higher numbers than their retail counterpart on PC.

    Crysis 1 on PC sold around 3 million units even the developers said so

    jimhendrix15 Reply:

    Yes true Crysis 1 did sell that much

    http://www.computerandvideogames.com/391600/interviews/crysis-3-interview-we-cant-do-more-on-current-gen-consoles-than-this/

  • Alex3fleming

    I agree with this article

  • TimD

    The article on the PS4 vs Great Discord has it own flaws. The benefits of efficiency in the APUs won’t be able to match PCs GPU that are discrete. Heat is generated from more processing power for the APU and as more heat generates it will cause overheating. The PS4 will be using a very low end CPU which are used in labtops which is why they have DDR5 memory for it to make up for such.

    Another thing your showing only retail sales from all those games because PC digital downloads have overtaking retails. The first Crysis sold up to 3 million units reported by Crytek that is around the same number as Crysis 2 release on three platforms.

    jmc8888 Reply:

    People also forget that ‘ease of use’ is a tradeoff.

    Lots of people like to be morons. Oh can’t spend five minutes doing whats right, I want the two second easy approach. Ignorance is alive and well in the world.

    Now I’m a PC and console gamer. We had an Apple II in our house before I was born, thus when I was born in 78, I’m part of that first wave of always had a computer in the house people.

    The facts are many people are lazy. Now when it comes to video games, who cares right? Individually yes. But when someone makes a collective estimation about things, it is very important to realize.

    Most people don’t care to find out squat. That’s why you have republicans and democrats. Because no one cares to figure out they both are ripping you off.

    When it comes to gaming, PC’s are easy to use. Not always as easy as consoles. But in some ways even easier. I mean if you have a library of Steam games, you don’t have to even get up and change discs.

    Many people have misconceptions about how hard it is to use a PC. That they can’t use a controller. That they have to have a monitor instead of using their HDTV (which laughable to the extreme…HDMI anyone?). So many people are just morons to realize that PC gaming isn’t hard as all. Your consoles need updates right? How hard is it to download and double click a nvidia driver? Even people who are morons tend to think they know how to surf the internet, but somehow there is this wide chasm of between that and double clicking a video card driver.

    Hell even building a PC only takes about 2-3 hours if you include all the unpackaging of the parts. But okay I can understand not wanting to put one together.

    They also think it’s too expensive. That it upgrades too fast. Well it doesn’t. Your gear doesn’t get worse. You’ll just have to set games to a lower level, and most games can autoset you pretty decently. I laugh at people that seem to think a few new versions of a videocard come out, suddenly their card isn’t as good. No it’s JUST as good, even better really in terms of what it can deliver, it’s just on PC’s you have the option to continuous bigger increases by buying new gear.

    Also if you have any core2quad or i3, i5, or i7 PC from the last 5-6 years or more, all you need is a $200 gfx card to already match a PS4. If you wait until the GTX 700 series from Nvidia comes out that $200-250 card will be even better than a PS4, and should be out right around the time the PS4 is out. So no, it isn’t more expensive. If it is, not by much.

    Going back to the authors idiotic OP, that something has to be ‘popular’ to be good. Well no, popularity isn’t a sign of how good something is. The Iraq war was popular. I could literally list 1000′s of things that were ‘popular’ but in reality sucked major pp.

    The PC is superior due to better flexibility and power. But all that matters in reality, is what YOU want. So if you want console, great, have fun with a console. But the truth is, nothing is more flexible or powerful as a PC.

    It doesn’t matter how popular consoles are, that doesn’t make water become dry or hot become cold or up become down.

    Basically this guy got pissy that people were talking crap about correct things, and then decided to make an article about how PC’s aren’t really that good and used a completely useless benchmark to justify his asinine position.

    It’s like saying cars aren’t good because your shoes become lonely. (his viewpoint is about as valid as if someone said that).

    The funny thing is he got pissy KNOWING that on the internet you have tons of people that are out there looking to hate on something. That somehow a few PC people hating on consoles means all of PC gamers (or dual console and pc gamers) didn’t make very valid points. He ignored the facts and raged at the haters. It blinded him and came up with a stupid position.

    What’s even funnier is console people themselves are some of the biggest haters. Oh PS3 better than 360. Or 360 better than PS3. Look at this screenshot. This 2 FPS a better. I mean really. I understand the differences. In fact most 360 games ran better than the PS3 counterparts and games designed for the PS3 worked good. Both have been way outclassed by PC’s for many years. The consoles were maxed out the day they came out as they didn’t have the power to run games natively at 1080p. Sure games like Uncharted and Last of Us have kept increasing what the PS3 could do within certain parameters, thus they could eek out some gains over the years, but still most games ran at about 588p, not 1080p, and had noticeably lower textures and other effects, like those contained in DX11.

    For years they stated how PC’s weren’t very much ahead, now they see what PC’s people have been enjoying for about five years, and it’s ‘WOW’. Like as if they were blind before to what PC’s were doing.

    I’m a 1st day preorder of a PS4 and probably a 720. At this point I am. We’ll see about the DRM. I also was a preorder of the Wii U.

    So what’s funny is how many console people are bashing the Wii U, yet claim they don’t want to be bashed by PC people. The truth is ‘next gen’ games can be played on ALL of those consoles. The PS4, the 720, the Wii U, and the PC. Each at different fidelity levels. More or less effects. These sorts of things. I mean you have ‘next gen’ games already on the 360 and PS3. What do people think Battlefield 3 and Crysis 2 and 3 were?

    So all categories of gamers will have morons bashing each other. All are guilty of it. It’s also just a minority. All are good products, unless 720 goes the ultra DRM route, which will take a good product and greatly diminish it if true.

    Game what you dig. But don’t try to look past facts by grabbing a BS point and trying to spin it in to reality. That’s what this article is all about. Spinning something fake to cushion reality and then acting as if it’s only PC elitests that are bad people. The truth is I’ve seen more hate from PS3/360 only people upon Wii U people then PC people upon console people. Generally because PC people know specs and can accurately make an argument while most of the time console only people just hate on the name, or if a game is a kiddie game or this or that. They gripe about 2 FPS when PC people are comparing much larger variations.

    In short, this article is pure BS.

    thor220 Reply:

    Actually the ps4 uses GDDR5 which is just modified ddr3. It’s has higher bandwidth that DDR3 but it slow when moving data around the memory.

  • jimhendrix15

    ok why are you showing pre rendered screen shots of the game lol

    http://www.examiner.com/article/ea-financial-results-shows-pc-outperforming-ps3-while-digital-sales-rise

    PC makes more revenue than any other platform only combine due console make as much. How about due some research the exact amount of revenue the PC generated because it just as much as what every single console combine makes.

    Did the guy forget that the CPU are low end jaguar cores that labtop have that’s the only reason why they are even using a DDR5 because their is no real benefit for a PC to have one. Note with the x64 architecture porting games to PC would be much easier than before. And high transfer speed does not equal high clock speeds. It doesn’t matter what people say discrete graphic cards will always be better than APU.

    Ghost250 Reply:

    its not pre-rendered, sony confirmed it and the developers of both games confirmed that.

    DeathtrokeXX Reply:

    Killzone 2 didn’t even look as good compared to its suppose gameplay at E3

    Ghost250 Reply:

    says who? you? killzone 2 look just as good if not better than the pre-rendered demo. the only thing that was better in the demo was the facial animations.

    Gia Reply:

    lol the demo looked better why do you think there were so much backlash from Gureilla Games.

    DeathtrokeXX Reply:

    Unless its being played on a PS4 I’m not convinced

  • stevenshearing

    Console gamers out number pc gamers 4 to 1 , lol pc gamers

    Shilo Zaba Reply:

    haha so? Are you boasting that “yay more people are broke like me and can’t afford a PC?” What does that mean even? Hahaha are you going to come get us? :P

    stevenshearing Reply:

    Your got to be stupid to buy a PC at their silly price.
    PC user = Oh no that line is a little jaggy its the end of the world unless I pay though the noise to prevent it.

    jmc8888 Reply:

    What’s ‘their’ silly price?

    PC gamers generally don’t walk into best buy and pay 2x as much for a computer then they need to. Because everyone buying a PC at best buy IS.

    Popularity is not a good metric. You might want to find oh, say, a REAL one.

    thor220 Reply:

    Actually PCs don’t have a set price seeing as they can be any form factor. You must pay a set price for a console as that is your only choice. There are millions of different computers but only 3 consoles.

  • MaXfReZa

    “If your platform is better, there’s no need to make a case for it”… Now you know how XBox 360 fans feel about PS3 fans LOL

    Austin McDowell Reply:

    Oh like you hypocrites were always saints…

  • http://www.facebook.com/shilo.zaba Shilo Zaba

    Well, I definitely agree about the elitist comment. I don’t really care for elitism. I play games on my beast gaming pc I built a few months ago. ((and Yes I built it specifically to be a lot stronger than the ps4 and 720 when they release but that is not my point))

    BUT I still pay attention to my 360, PS3, wiiU etc. I use 360 controllers on most pc games besides FPS’s.

    I think I know exactly the point of frustration you are coming from. But unfortunately it also seems like your passion for your opinion has you on a BIT of a blind warpath.

    I feel like the fact you pointed out about console gamers having the race in numbers. Well yes I think that is probably very true. I think the POINT of consoles is to deliver a platform to the general populous to let them play high end games at an affordable price point.

    Many gamers who are “PC gamers” I think usually end up spending even more than they needed to on their computers (I know I DID haha, its a nerd thing I suppose)
    One thing a LOT of people who hate on computer gamers also don’t realize how defensive (haha and PROUD) some people are about their gaming rigs. Building your OWN computer and then USING it for PC melting games at max settings is such a feeling of accomplishment for some. That is why you get a lot of the more extreme of us online quick to point and shoot at new hardware that has got everyone excited.

    You think you are on the PS4 defensive? Imagine if you BUILT that machine yourself and nobody else had one quite like it. People might hate on you for defending that machine. But the thing here is SO many people are going to get the EXACT same product so it is natural that they will all band together and get PISSED off at the minority crowd insulting the majority crowd’s gear. It makes sense. It is like immigrants coming to Canada or the US, and turning around to all the citizens to tell them how shitty their country is. (well haha maybe not THAT extreme!)

    I think PS4 will be cool in its own way for MANY reasons. As has been the case with most consoles in history. There will ALWAYS be new innovations in console gaming that will keep it competitive, and if there isn’t, well then the lower price point probably will. (NOT SAYING you can’t build a really great gaming pc for 2013 for like 450-600 bucks)

    The ONLY thing I HATE about PC Gaming is the negative connotation that comes with it from ubernerds spazzing out on the forums making us look like we’re all pizzafaced a$$holes.

    I totally plan on grabbing the 720 when it comes out because simply I LOVE Xbox and microsoft and I like to have the latest consoles on my projector in my mancave. And I will most likely grab the PS4 before mid 2014 just to mess around with new controller. I am luck to be able to do so at this point in my life, it was not always this way. So for a lot of people who have to make a choice as which way to go, I agree that whatever makes them satisfied is where their money should go and I don’t feel like anyone should have anything to bitch about.

    Unless it’s a relevant topic there is no need to jump into a forum just to let PS4 enthusiasts know they feel it sucks and their way is better… uhhh Ok.. thanks for that. I dunno makes no sense.

    So I am with ya and I am not. Everyone should just get along lmao

    jmc8888 Reply:

    Again you’re forgetting that console people do it as well. There’s 360 elitests. There’s PS3 elitests. Not really so much Nintendo elitests. Not anymore at least.

    thor220 Reply:

    I feel bad for hardcore nintendo gamers FYI.

    Shilo Zaba

    I don’t know why you are so eager to support microsoft and sony. Sony supports cispa and seems to think it hot shit, can’t even get your downloaded games from the ps3. Not only that but they continued to remove features from the PS3, which should be illegal considering that’s not what you paid for.

    Microsoft is even worse. They force you to pay to use their online “service”. Then they put adds on your system without warrant This is excluding what they have done to other platforms, ala windows 8

    All in all, I hate both of those companies.

    You seem to like certain PC gaming advantages like better visuals but you don’t get the point of PC gaming. Why use only gamepad and mouse? There are many other input devices for racing, flying, ect. I wonder if you’ve ever modded, or whether you know what each graphic option in the menu does. You’ve still allot to learn.

  • http://www.facebook.com/shilo.zaba Shilo Zaba

    oh man I can’t believe I am gonna add this but…

    “There is no cumbersome OS or layers that a typical system has to work through.”

    I just want to mention on this comment from your one of your sources, that an SSD for your OS and system data will negate this. (although when a game is loaded it won’t affect anything other than a few extra seconds on load screens, I don’t see any difference in gameplay or framerates on a consistent basis.)

    But again we are talking more price to the system so.

    REALLY EXCITED for ps4 tho!

    jmc8888 Reply:

    People forget that ‘the cumbersome OS’ argument is one of Windows 95 or 98 versus a Sega Genesis or Sony Playstation.

    Today’s consoles (let alone ‘next gen’ ones) have a MUCH higher overhead. Even the Wii U reserves 1 GB of ram just for the OS. Do people think they are reserving this just for giggles?

    The PS4 and 720 OS is going to be MASSIVE. Thus you really don’t gain much of anything from being on a ‘console’ compared to a PC.

    Oh and about antivirus. You turn that off with a couple clicks of the mouse on the taskbar before gaming. Or don’t game while a scan is running. Or don’t game when a scan is running on THAT particular hard drive, since you can scan one drive, while your game might be on one of the other five or so drives you might have.

    Right now a GTX 660 equals a PS4. The GTX 760 will no doubt surpass is by quite a bit, which means by the time all the bells and whistles are figured out it will probably perform as well as a GTX 760. Of course the GTX 760 will probably run about as well as a GTX 670 does right now. Thus if you buy a $200-$350 gfx card you can have a PS4 right now.

    If you have a Windows 7 or vista disc, you don’t need an OS disc.

    You can use your old PC case.

    You can use an HDTV.

    You can reuse your hard drives.

    You can use a 360 controller on a PC. Even the wireless one. You’ll just have to buy a $10-15 wireless adapter off amazon and install the teeny tiny disc that comes with the adapter. Or buy a controller that has one (and you can use it on your 360 by pairing it with your 360). They generally cost the same.

    Ram may or may not be reused. Depends on how far you are upgrading.

    I could go on and on.

    But for most people if you have a core2quad, i3, i5, or i7 processor OF ANY KIND…and a PCIE 2.0 connector…which has been standard since what 2006? All you really need is a video card upgrade.

    Or you can have some of those parts off an old PC and build a PC that can match a PS4 for about $500. People should google it. People have shown tons of builds that for 500-600 can equal or best a PS4.

    I always say game what you dig. But people (not you Shilo) need to stop letting ignorance be the reason they claim they made the correct call.

    My 2010 i7 920 PC that I finished building in January 2010, that I paid $1200 for in parts, I later upgraded the vid card, last year for $400. So I had a top notch PC for the last 3+ years and already have a vid card that’s better than a PS4.

    It’s too bad my motherboard went out and needed to buy a new power supply, motherboard, and processor. But that’s more about timing, no more LGA 1366 motherboards on the market, and I wasn’t sure if the power supply caused the issue. (probably not, but I wasn’t risking it). That said, my 360 had RROD, disc scratch issue, it’s hard drive failed, and now I can’t even play most of my games because the disc drive won’t read it.

    Overall though, PC’s are really cheap now. Back when the 360 came out it BEAT a $3000-5000 PC from a year earlier. Now a PS4 will be beat by 5 year old CPU’s running 1 1/2- 2 1/2 year old GPU’s or by a $500 PC. That’s quite a change from a starting point of a generation.

    Coody B Reply:

    Yeah but you CANT have a PS4 now though can you? PC gaming might be the best way to get the latest, flashiest technology if you are willing to pay through your arse to keep updating it but you cant play awesome games like The Last Of Us, Uncharted etc on a PC can you?
    Also, who CARES that the PS4 will only be as powerful as a 2 year old top end PC? The graphics will still be beautiful and the games still amazingly good fun to play.
    Its only the GEEKS out there that care about such things and who notice such ANAL differences in this framerate that and this sreen tear that..

    These PC gamers need to go out the house now and again andgo lose their virginity.

    Jim Raynor Reply:

    Uncharted? Generic gameplay every single game just a linear shooter with a bunch of climbing and puzzles. The Last of Us is yet to be released but I’m sure fanboys are going to hype it up like somehow it the best game when they never played it. I’m sure it will be a great game but that to be said.

    Jona Reply:

    And I’m pretty sure the large amount of little kids on console having lot their virginity as well.

    thor220 Reply:

    Console exclusives swing both ways. You can’t play the witcher 2 on your PS3 can you? Neither can you play wii games on anything but the Wii and the PC. PC gaming isn’t as expensive as you make it out to be, probably because the big 3 console makers molded your mind to believe that PC gaming is fringe and expensive. Realistically it’s about educating yourself instead of just passing off screen tearing and frame-rate as “miniscule”.

    If your making a device to create perfect visuals, what point is there if your screen looks like swiss cheese each time you move or if it looks like a slide-show. You have to experience these for yourself, or your shunting yourself into your own closed off ecosystem.

  • http://www.facebook.com/shilo.zaba Shilo Zaba

    oh wait wait wait I just have to make sure I picked your argument clean before I leave it alone.

    You said,

    “So even a huge PC fan, one who has actual knowledge of how these things work, has sided with PlayStation 4, reckoning that it has a “distinct edge” on the most up-to-date PC rig out there.”

    NOT AT ALL what your source claimed!

    What your source said was,

    “I helped a friend build a computer last month and he had a budget of around $1100 (the link for parts can be found here.) and I’ll go out on a limb and say that the PS4 still has a distinct edge.”

    He is referring to THIS PARTICULAR $1100 MACHINE, definitely NOT as you said, “the most up-to-date PC rig out there”

    So he is claiming that the PS4 has an edge on the PC he helped his friend build. And I believe it. It’s all in the parts. The ones mentioned are certainly not the best.

    This sort of thing is what makes your case lose its credibility and your argument loses its initial intent.

    Talking the same type of uneducated shit you are complaining about wont solve anything btw ;)

  • http://www.facebook.com/shilo.zaba Shilo Zaba

    Also I don’t think it is fair to estimate how many gamers choose PC based on overall game sales. As we all know, PC gaming suffers WAAAAAY more piracy then console. No modding, no nothing. I believe there are a TON more pirated PC games floating around the web than you would be able to find for consoles. (NOT THAT YOU CAN’T, it is just SO much more accessible to the AVERAGE PC user

    jmc8888 Reply:

    Actually lots of people download console games and use mod chipped consoles to play them. Have for quite some time.

    Also at some point most games become outright roms and use an emulator so they can be played on PC’s.

    Hell some emulators bypass the entire functionality of the console itself to allow people to play their store bought say Nintendo Wii games in high definition resolutions on emulators while the console user played the same game at standard definition resolution.

    Generally speaking console only people assume far too much about where gaming actually sits. They have some sort of idea of where gaming is, and it’s far, far different then their viewpoint.

    I game consoles AND pc’s. Specs aren’t everything. But they ARE important, sometimes. That’s why I can buy a Wii U even though my PC is far stronger. That’s why I can buy a PS4 and probably a 720 (all three on preorder) yet my PC is stronger.

    Console only gamers need to get educated as they’ve finally decided they can ‘see’ the difference between their consoles and the new consoles, when they’ve been pretending that PC’s didn’t already do that for years.

    thor220 Reply:

    Stop re-repeating ubisoft. I’ve head this 10 time already, just because one company needed a scapegoat to explain their terrible quarter. This is false and you shouldn’t take statements from ubisoft that state “95% of PC games are pirated” for their word. Do you think they would make PC games if they didn’t make money? That’s quite obvious.

  • BrianBuckler

    TL;DR: Sony fanboy rant…

  • Name

    Just read up to the bit where it says, Crysis 2 was a mainstay of PC gaming?

    Er, it was a SHODDY console port.

    I must admit pc gaming is becoming anti-social for a lot of people, and I miss the days where we’d all get round someone’s house and enjoy a good console gaming session. We still do that for super smash bros, but other than that we feel like we don’t have a lot to play :<

    thor220 Reply:

    It’s cuz they are removing lan play from allot of games. Not to mention allot of the best lan games of old are major flops nowadays. Case in point, diablo 3. It’s really funny they sony actually wanted the PS4 to be associated with the most disappointing title of this generation. It kinda show that it’s the same inept company behind the ps3 that is making the ps4

  • HuTran

    This shit again I head the same thing last gen about the PS3 being some kind of super computer. BTW PS4 will still have games locked at 30fps so much for next gen. Note that technology evolves rapidly for the PC we will be seeing new more powerful hardware of our own.

  • milkoil

    I think that is what is the most annoying about PC gaming. You have to update and make sure you can run this and run that and compatible with this and that and constantly spend money on not only games, but the time and parts to play those games. PC’s evolve so fast this “2 year old PC that would blow the PS4 out of the water” can’t even play PC games anymore because he didn’t spend the addition 700 dollars to upgrade his stuff. Makes no sense really, the Ps3 came out and despite the maybe 10 hours total I’ve spent downloading updates for it I’ve never had to purchase any additional pieces or software to play a game, and the games have only gotten better since. compare mlb the show 09 and 13 … Better graphics, gameplay everything no additional cost but the game itself. I think that’s the cornerstone of not only the Ps4 but consoles in general. These developers have to rethink what they can do on a console again and slowly put it together. When the Ps4 comes out it will take a couple years for game developers to actually unlock it’s full potential and push what it can do to the limits.
    I doubt those 2 year old computers will be able to run battlefield 4 at “max specs” or w/e those pc gamers say lol

    jmc8888 Reply:

    Not really.

    You only have to make sure it’s compatible when your PC is OLD, or you bought a really cheap store one years earlier.

    Also those ‘compatible’ lists aren’t really correct. I’ve run games with specs far lower than the ‘minimum specs’. Hell I remember playing games where you need a minimum Pentium 3 1200mhz specs on my Pentium 2 400mhz PC back in the day.

    Really your problem is you don’t educate yourself enough to know that what you speak of really isn’t a problem, except for people who don’t spend five minutes a week to keep up on stuff. If you did that, you’d constantly have the base to understand how wrong you are.

    Your PC graphics card is static just like your console card. Meaning you get better graphics over the years with your PC graphics card, just like that which occurs on your console. You just assume that isn’t the case because you have the option to upgrade it, and haven’t realized that what once was HIGHEST SETTINGS is of lower quality than the LOWEST settings a few years later, both of which will be able to be run on the same PC.

    No the PS4 fallacy you have is that they can’t unlock it. Wrong. From day 1 it will be at a limit. That’s why they are only offering 1080p native output at max. Not 1440, 1600, 5760×1080, or 4k.

    What they WILL be able to do, is squeeze a little more stuff out of it. So basically it’s like saying they’ll be able to take it from the performance level of a GTX 660 to a GTX 670 over the next couple of years. But ONLY those that are actually good at coding it, which is probably about 1/5th of the games in a FEW years.

    Meanwhile PC gamers will be readily enjoying games at 4k resolution.

    Battlefield 4 ‘at max specs’ will never come to PS4. PS4 will be running Battlefield 4 on ‘high specs’. It means the PS4 is already maxed out day 1 in pure raw power. They’ll just be able to more wisely utilize that power to squeeze out another 20-30 percent or so effective power.

    But games today can utilize fully 2-3x the power of a PS4. Like Crysis 3.

    test Reply:

    Updated my video card, and whenever Windows 7 does it’s auto updates or I manually installed the drivers for the new card, my screen screws up… PS3 doesn’t do that – harder work, but the PC method pays off in the end I guess :)

    Jona Reply:

    Not everyone cares about maxing out their games console don’t even play it at the highest setting only the lowest possible if they want it to run well. I have a two tear pc and it get play any game right now at high setting. Console fanboy make up the dumbest thing you don’t need to upgrade for 700 dollars especially for two year old PC. There updating require but that not the same as upgrading which you do on console as well.

  • Caleb Hale

    “Why do you think almost every popular game there is sell the most units on consoles?”

    Because most people are like you, too stupid/lazy/cheap to be bothered by getting the best gaming experience you can, and just settle for “good enough”.

  • Jsao

    You want to know why consoles sell more copies? Because people can pirate games on a PC.

    Jona Reply:

    You can pirate games on a xbox360 and note that digital sales aren’t counted which make a majority of sales on PC nowadays.

  • test

    i play consoles for exclusivs can’t be found on PC (Uncharted, Gears of War) – I started out console gaming, jumped to PC when I had to pick (or was told to go with a PC over a PS1/X) and stuck w/ PC untill I was presented both an xbox and a ps3 – so to speak (and I didn’t want to shell out $500 + when I already got these two consoles) – though I picked up a discount Radeon card for $50 bucks and plugged into my dual core and already see a noticeable increase in graphical fidelity over my console counterparts. Needless to say, I’ll still be picking up a 3D S b/c it’s got games that niether of the consoles or my ‘beast’ PC now got :)

  • Alex3fleming

    Basically you have to look at it in terms of accessibility most people dont want to take the time out to learn all about PC gaming and its requirements or people simply, people just dont have the time in their lives. So to the people who just dont shut up about the holy grail that is apparently PC gaming (also i’am one who plays PC games too), just think about why people prefer to get consoles and dont use the excuse ”Their lazy/stupid” cause thats just an ignorant view coupled with your ego to create something that aint helping anyone. So PC gamers, we know the advantages of it, we’ve heard a million times so can you now just please stop bragging on about it, all your whining aint gonna change the market.

  • EatMyAss

    A very high percent of PC gamers are cheap cunts and pirate witch is why there will never be game developers taking it seriously. I myself own a Xbox PS4 and gaming PC with a gtx680 so couldn’t give a fuck what’s better & I will get the new PS4 and Xbox.

    Gia Reply:

    except the ps4 isn’t out

  • Jason

    Console>PC. FACT

  • Ned Tal

    I think I am the only person who will wait until the “slim” model or so is released.
    Like the XBOX360 and PS3 alike, most release games are crap and games aren’t good until about 6 months later.

    Gonna stick with my PC2. Oh wait….

  • Ned Tal

    To explain why there are “noobs” on consoles, start w/nintendo.
    All your friends had it, you bought it. N64, Gamecube, oh whats this? PlayStation?
    All your friends had it, you bought it. PS2, PS3. Oh whats this? COD?
    Etc.

    Meanwhile, on the PC
    Adults were learning about RAM, etc. “Professor, why is RAM important when ….”7

    It lead to adults on PC, and kids on consoles.
    Easy now?

  • Jordo92

    You’re a virgin aren’t you?

  • http://www.facebook.com/TheAymaanAhmed Aymaan Ahmed

    Before i go off on a rant, i just want to state that i am not a “PC elitist” and have nothing against the console gamer except for the fact the they are very much misinformed about the PC platform.
    Firstly, all this BS about PCs needing to be upgraded in a regular cycle is just killin’ me!
    for the love of god, only some PC gamers update their computers on a regular cycle. you don’t need the latest and greatest CPU, or GPU to to run any “Great Looking” game. For the record, my friend games on a rig that has gone four years without a single upgrade and he’s able to play ANY title with decent to high settings.
    Also, gaming rigs aren’t THAT expensive as console gamers make them out to be. you can build a moderately good, budget-friendly rig for under $700 and still be able to play most video games without breaking sweat (unless your talking about the first Crysis). Sure your paying about double, but think considering all the things that you can do with it – gaming, web browsing, graphics design, programming, spreadsheets, word-processing and not to mention the billions of software and programs you can download, its pretty much worth it. Also, PC games are really cheap. I mean, have you seen the outrageous discounts on Steam during
    And the last thing I wanna clear up for all of ya dimwits out there, YOU CAN PLAY VIDEO GAMES ON YOUR PC WITH A CONTROLLER, ON A COUCH, IN FRONT OF HUGE-ASS TELEVISION TOO! Amazing right? you can build a PC with a smaller form factor so that it is almost as small as you console. you can then connect that small system unit with your TV using an HDMI cable. And here’s my favorite part, you can buy a wireless controller and use it to play your games!
    As for exclusives, i won’t spurt out any BS about Counterstrike or any PC exclusive. imho, consoles have much better exclusives. the console exclusives make PC exclusives look like shit (maybe not shit but you know what i mean). As someone who enjoys playing all kinds of video games, i hate platform exclusives. i want to be able to play be able to play a game regardless of the platform i am on. i don’t want to have to buy an XBOX just to play Halo or a PS3 just to play Uncharted.
    I have finished my argument, may the bashing begin. :P

  • cornbean

    Lol…
    Not sure if trolling or… you’re really like that?

    “Compare this to consoles which end up slowing down CONSTANTLY on games that were SPECIFICALLY BUILT FOR THE CONSOLE.”

    Wrong. Unless you’re talking about loading screens. Out of all the games I’ve played for PS3 only one has ever lagged and that is only in one area of the game. (Dark Souls’ Blighttown for reference.)

    No TV and probably will never want one? I think Jordo92 might be on to something…

    Don’t “give a shit” about competitive multiplayer, racing games, party games, Fighting games, JapRPGs, shooters, MMOs… do you even play games? Lewmme’ guess, facebook games? Chess? Occasional RPG from good ol’ ‘merica and that’s it… I’m guessing you must not play many games in general…? …… Maybe you’re not that good at them… Sorry I just don’t understand this nonsense. Though I do think computers are always going to be ahead of consoles in terms of technological specifications.

    Anyway… You don’t sound very social nor fun. To each their own…
    And, yes. I do like torrents.

    EatADick Reply:

    Oh look, shitforbrains is back.
    Making scenarios up isnt going to help neckbeard.

  • TheTruth

    Everyone is missing the point here. It’s a fucking game, either way were all playing the same games, all doing the same things on these games and were all talking about these games. So why would i go out of my way to pay however many hundreds/thousands to get a computer to “play games”.

    Insert twat reply below.

  • vfnd

    Eatadick is right, you say you have nothing against PC gamers then you rant. A 2 year old PC can outpace the PS4 at its current edge. People like you dont deserve a blog on a half decent URL like this one. The new gen will have an edge, for about 4 months, and that’s fine. You’re immature impulsive ranting is making everyone madder.

  • vfnd

    You dont even need 900 dolars to build a great rig.

  • RipTheJacker

    First, I’d like to say that I, as a PC gamer, agree with the sentiment of the article. Elitist PC gamers who say that PC is the only true gaming, piss me off too. But, that’s as far as I agree with you. PC is definitely a better platform for gaming than console, and here’s a small number of the reasons why:

    Yes, the PS4 will out-perform most PCs at the moment because it uses GDDR5 RAM, which is actually not really possible to be used in PCs because it does not operate efficiently at low loads, and it has two processors! But give PC as little as a year, and it’ll be back in front.

    But I’d like to point out to all of the console gamers saying PC gaming is exorbitantly expensive, that PC gaming is cheaper by far, in the long run, for example, in the Steam Christmas sale, I picked up nearly £300 of games for £20. Not to mention that almost all games are cheaper anyway because the developer doesn’t have to pay license fees to make a PC game, so you can generally save £5-£10 per game buy buying it on the PC. Unless of course you buy an EA game because they are greedy c*nts.

    There’s also all of the other things that a PC does normally, so when you look past the initial spend and think of it from a value for money perspective, the PC is far cheaper than a console!

    I spent about £1000 on my current rig, about 6 months ago, and I’ve already more than made up for the added expense over a console in savings on games. Especially when you consider the plethora of free or sub-£10 indie games that you can find on Steam and the Internet, some of which match up to AAA releases I terms of gameplay. Nor do consoles get amazing MMOs like WoW, LoL, and DotA.

    You also ignore the modding communities that surround PC gaming, Minecraft, for example, is an alright game, when played vanilla, but add a few mods, or use a modpack like Feed The Beast, and you have an incredible game with hundreds of hours worth of gameplay and infinite replay value. For less than £20. Modding also allows for bug fixes faster than the developer can put them out, a prime example is the Skyrim unofficial patch team who fix bugs in the game, especially as Bethesda have now stopped working on patches for Skyrim to focus on their next big project. Have fun with all of those bugs on console.

    Consoles cannot, and will never be able to, match the breadth of games that are available on PC. Nor will your online experience ever match the PC because multiplayer servers on PC games are run by people who play the games, not some publisher like EA who will shut them all down when they release their next game, plus you get things like custom maps on PC because the servers are run by gamers who know what gamers want and are able to cater for them.

    And to the writer of the article: You completely ignore the fact that PC accounts for roughly 42% of ALL video game software revenue, and is worth $17 billion, which is nearly as much as the COMBINED total of $23 billion for the PS3 and Xbox 360. Hard copies and market shares do not tell a story that is anything like the whole, and real picture. (Source: http://www.gamersnexus.net/news-industry/610-pc-games-revenue-outmatch-all-consoles-combined)

  • Educatedfool

    Was PC gamer but console is easy and you do not need read the box every few months to see if your system can cope with its minimum requirements unified architecture wins as with PC it’s shotgun programming with console it’s rifle style

  • Educatedfool

    With a console you will be getting better graphics as the console matures with PC you will get worse as your rig ages

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