Sunday, November 23, 2014
PS4 Will Launch In 2014 With Killzone 4, Resistance 4 And GOW 4 As Launch Titles

PS4 Will Launch In 2014 With Killzone 4, Resistance 4 And GOW 4 As Launch Titles

A replay of one of Gamesthirst’s most popular articles:

You’ve heard the talk haven’t you? About how Sony will not allow Microsoft to release its next generation console before they do, and so, with the fear of losing its user base pounding incessantly at the thoughts of its executives, Sony will leave the PS3 behind and delve head first into the eighth and last generation of gaming consoles.

This won’t happen.

If Sony has learned one thing about gamers, is that they’re suckers for new “toys”. Doesn’t really matter what year they release a console, as long as the price is right, and the PlayStation logo is on there, it’ll sell like hot cakes. And now, with the advent of PSN, Sony’s base will most likely stay faithful to its service until the next PlayStation home console comes along.

Even one of Sony’s main bosses uttered this very thing.

Sony’s Worldwide Studios boss Shuhei Yoshida:

“Naturally, in my opinion, Microsoft will make the first move. Or, because Nintendo’s approach was not to upgrade much on its basic hardware – Wii doesn’t even support HD resolution – so they might be the first to move,” Yoshida told industry Magazine, Develop, when asked why Sony hadn’t discussed the PS4 publicly as yet.

“Probably we should watch these companies, in my opinion. Because PS3 was later than Xbox, and is more powerful, so it has a longer lifespan.”

And I agree with him fully. Microsoft and Nintendo are most likely planning a 2012 release for the their next generation consoles, and for them, I think it’s right timing. Think about it: Although Nintendo launched around the same time with Sony, the Wii is basically a GameCube with Motion Control technology; the legendary company badly needs an upgraded system. And so it’s a veritable venture to release one soon, all the while boosting revenues and shareholder confidence.

Microsoft, too, must be eying 2012 seriously for many reasons. Although Redmond only recently released the Xbox 360 Slim, it knows, without doubt, that the days of its controversial console is coming to an end. Evidently, the PS3 is beginning to embarrass the Xbox 360. Especially technically, where the PS3’s raw power is beginning to outstrip by far, even the best efforts of developers who make exclusive games for Microsoft’s console.

Also, when 2012 arrives, it will be eight years since the Xbox 360 first came on the market. That’s well beyond the time period console makers release their next gen systems. Remember, Sony launched the PS2 in 2000 and six years later, the PS3 came on the scene. It would not only be a bad marketing move if Microsoft doesn’t release its new console in the next year and a half, it would also seriously damage the Xbox 360’s image. Why? Well, considering the PS3’s ahead of the Xbox 360 technically, it would literally render Microsoft’s console “old gen” by that time. Perhaps you’re aware that it’s already showing, therefore things will only go down hill rapidly in the coming years.

So Sony will be the only company left in the seventh generation of consoles.

For a while.

Suddenly, without warning, 2014 comes crashing in on the gaming world like a massive truck that just lost all bearings. The driver pumps hard, looking for brakes, hoping to stop. He finds none. All that’s left is a gaming world bewildered, awestruck, dumbfounded and amazed.

Sony just crashed everyone’s party. For a while there, Nintendo and Microsoft were hoping against hope that the company from the land of the rising sun would just quit gaming and allow the two to play chess. Stay away, Sony. Not so.

PS4’s now on the scene. Priced right, more future proof than any other on the market. Sexy. Millions starts disappearing off store shelves, etailers like amazon can’t keep up. Even the monster that is Walmart can’t keep the console in stuck.

But why’s it selling out so fast? For one, Sony learned an almost crippling lesson back in the PS3’s gloomy days. The console was priced at over $650 at launch, a turnoff for many gamers who then set their sights on Microsoft’s Xbox 360, which, by the way, managed to outsell Sony’s PS3 before its younger brother would step in: Xbox 720.

The other reason was the many PS3 exclusive titles that launched with the system.

Killzone 4:

Killzone is one of the most recognizable titles on the PlayStation, and in gaming for that matter. After Sony unleashed the third installment on the PS3, the giant allowed Guerrilla Games, Killzone’s developer, to go after new ventures. And so the prospect of the next Killzone launching on PS3 faded. Time ran out but it benefited the PS4.

As soon as the game’s fans heard the news, they couldn’t resist. “Where is the nearest GameStop?” Zack asked, he’d already made his decision.

Resistance 4:

By the time Resistance 3 came out, it was already late 2011. Its developer, Insomniac Games, had recently signed a deal with EA Partners affording them to do multiplatform games. Sony knew when that happened they’d have to wait longer for Resistance installments. Part four would not see a PS3 release.

It did, however, release on the PS4 at launch, and again, just like the killzone fans, Resistance supporters bought the console for their beloved franchise.

God of War 4:

Many had thought that God of War 4 would come to life on PS3, it did not. Apparently they’d forgotten how long it took Santa Monica to release the last: four years.

Did Sony strategically planned the game’s PS4 release? It was hardly a tough question to answer. Of course they did. God of War is a system seller; God of War III had once again proven that point, and Sony wasn’t about to mess up the tradition.

When the game landed a month later on the PS4, you could hardly find the console anywhere. It had proven to be the best hardware sales boost Sony had ever received from a game.

In the end, not Microsoft, nor was it Nintendo who won the eighth generation of consoles install base battle. Sony’s planning had proven successful. They didn’t follow the other two companies down the tempting path, it was their destiny not Sony’s. And although the media was once again spelling the hardware giant’s doom, Sony never budged. It was already accustomed to the judgments. Instead, a game plan formulated by the company’s top executives, developers, and fans alike, was followed precisely. No wavering, not even when it looked tough.

And so it was in the eighth generation of consoles.

For ExclusivesMostly, one of Games Thirst faithful users.

About Ernice Gilbert

Ernice Gilbert here. Founder and Editor-In-Chief of Gamesthirst. Thanks for stopping by, make yourself at home!
  • ExclusivesMostly

    Awesome! Best thing I’ve read all day. Thanks for actually doing it. Uncharted 4 should release on the PS4 as well.

  • Ernice Gilbert

    Nice, I’m glad you like it, and yes, Uncharted 2 should have been there also ; )

  • linglingjr

    wait so uncharted 3 will be on ps3!!!!!!!!!!

    they better make the ps3 up to par with a top of the line gaming pc loli dont see why they couldnt unless nick said somthing to them.

  • nick

    they could not make a console up to gaming PC specs because A it would be freaking massive!
    2 it would conduct so much heat, my rig uses liquid nitrogen for cooling you really think consoles are going to use that?
    3 it would cost so freaking much.
    look at the launch of the ps3, a meere 2006 hardware configuration released here costing 1000 bucks!
    so how much would they charge for a full spec gaming machine? 5 grand?

    i really cant see sony releasing their system first this gen, they really dont need too!
    1 they lost so much money with the ps3 so there going to milk the ps3 as much as possible to get there cash back.
    2 the tech they could use is either not ready, or is but its bloody expensive!
    id say they will use a upgraded version of the cell, 4 PPUs appose to 1, 32 SPUs appose to 7.
    IMB have already made those chips, there sitting on the shelfs waiting to be used but there bloody expensive!
    id say the ps4 will use a console version of the 400 series, which just released a few months ago and the base model the 470 is a cool 700 bucks!
    they even have a new disk medium, same as bluray but the laser is much more concentrated so they can have more layers and up to a theoretical 1 TB of storage.
    so when you think about it, 2014 does not sound all that bad.
    4 years is more than enough time to give the tech time to develop, find its weak spots and of course reduce in price.

    my guess is M$ will be the first out of the gate again with there new console simply because they need it!
    the 360 is really starting to show its age in comparison to the ps3, yes it has some games that are outshining ps3s best but there few and far between!
    one thing thats always been a thorn in M$s side is the disk capacity, that is really going to restrict what they can do with the machine.
    so i would say M$ will be the first out of the gate with their new console, lets just hope they dont try and do their own GPU this time ay?
    thats what caused the early RROD problems, the selfish tight asses tried to save money by creating their own GPU, stuffed it up and had to get ATI to bail them out.
    as for ninty, they really dont need a new console.
    99% of wii owners really dont give a crap about graphics or mind blowing realistic physics.
    all they care about is being able to save princess peach, so as long as bowzer is up to his typical princess kidnapping jobs than they really dont need a new system.

  • Ernice Gilbert

    “all they care about is being able to save princess peach, so as long as bowzer is up to his typical princess kidnapping jobs than they really dont need a new system.” lol

    As for Sony, you’re right on that one. Like I said, there’s no way they’ll release early, too much money at stake.

  • NamelessTed

    I’m not sure if this article was written seriously or as just an extreme fantasy of a Sony fanboy.

    Sony would NEVER have three of their big franchises release at the same time, especially not at the beginning of a consoles life.

    The problem with releasing big franchises at the same time as eachother is that they can decrease sales for each. Sony would be wise to stagger their major releases by at least 3 months, if not more. There is a reason Microsoft releases Gears of War and Halo alternatively each year.

    Launching big name franchises at launch is also a problem. The first 6-12 months of a consoles life cycle is a great time to push brand new IP. Gears of War is the perfect example. You obviously still want established franchises to sell owners of the system. There will probably be enough people that want a PS4 that they wouldn’t be able to meet demands if they released several huge titles at or near launch which would just hurt them in the long run.

    Sony also runs into trouble if they differentiate themselves too much from what Microsoft will be offering. If they wait too long after the release of Xbox 720, I think Sony will be too tempted to have hardware that is too far beyond what the Xbox will do. That may sound like a great thing but it would likely ultimately hurt them. If 3rd party publishers have already been making games for 2 years for Xbox 720, then they start working on PS4 the two systems need to be similar. If PS4 is too different, those developers and publishers might be less likely to want to make multiplatform games and stick with a system that already has an install base and one that they are already experienced in making games for.

    What Sony needs to realize is that they need to differentiate themselves with SOFTWARE, and not HARDWARE. That should be the major lesson learned from this generation as both Nintendo and Microsoft have been very successful with software development.

  • ExclusivesMostly

    Dude, Ernice is not a fanboy! Far from it actually. And yeah they’ll definately release those titles months apart so as increase each titles’ sales. But they’ll be close enough to launch ( within a year and a half or so) that the general perception of them as launch titles is apparent. I definately respect your opinion and you make some interesting points. The point of the article is that Sony won’t make the same mistakes they made this gen. Period.

    @nick: nice!

  • Ernice Gilbert

    “The point of the article is that Sony won’t make the same mistakes they made this gen. Period.” Exactly.

    NamelessTed, I too, respect your opinions. But before you call me a fanboy, you should go through the site, all of its news pieces, opinion pieces and articles. You’ll quickly learn that I’m not what you think. Nonetheless, great points.

  • nick

    if you know anything about sony, they will exit the industry before they conform to PC hardware!
    they have always released complex hardware to program for because it A makes there studios look good because there the only ones who can get everything out of it, and B it increases the life of the console.
    with M$s consoles there is nothing stopping developers from maxing out the system on day one, yeah its unlikely because tools wont be developed that early but if they were theres nothing stopping them from making out the console day one.
    thats why sony make their systems deliberately hard to code for, that way it takes devs a while to get a hang of it that way its late into the consoles lifespan by the time they know it as well as they know M$s console.
    they do that deliberately to try and extend the life of the console, if GOW3 is as good as games are going to look than its going to make sony look pretty crap isent it?

  • Ernice Gilbert

    Nick’s studying to be a dev, the man knows his stuff! Always informative.

  • Dipchit02

    i agree with most of what nameless Ted has said and i really dont think that Sony will release their console after Microsoft because if you are saying that they are going to learn from this generation then they will not release it after because that is what hurt their sales so much in the beginning (and the high price tag)but i know a bunch of people that got a 360 over a PS3 their friends had the 360 because it has a year headstart so how much do you think that will get hurt if they release 2 years after and the xbox 720 has a 10 million user install base instead of just 5 when the next Playstation comes out?
    Also if they do what they do for GoW 4 that they did with GoW 2 it would be released on the PS3. I dont know if you know this or not but GoW 2 was supposed to be a launch title for the PS3 but the studio wanted to work on the platform that they knew to make the game as good as possible and not which to the PS3 where they did not know the technology as well

  • Ernice Gilbert

    So Dipchito02, you’re so Sony will release PS4 in 2012? Because that’s when Microsoft will release the next Xbox.

    I don’t think it’ll happen. It’s way too early, they need to make a profit on PS3, and recoup all what they lost, and then some from said system. Then and only then will Sony manufacture another console.

  • Dipchit02

    ok but who ever said that Microsoft will release in 2012? I really do not think that they will let the next Xbox come out a year ahead of them again. Plus Sony can still make money on the PS3 when the PS4, look at the PS2 when the PS3 came out

  • linglingjr

    what so you dont respect MY opinions??

  • Ernice Gilbert

    @ linglingjr: What are you talking about?

  • Ernice Gilbert

    Yeah, but the value of the PS3 will decrees extremely fast, most people will either focus on the new system.

  • wolfkin

    So Dipchito02, you’re so Sony will release PS4 in 2012? Because that’s when Microsoft will release the next Xbox.
    I don’t think it’ll happen. It’s way too early, they need to make a profit on PS3, and recoup all what they lost, and then some from said system. Then and only then will Sony manufacture another console.

    taking my issues with the article as whole aside from the moment. I’m going to disagree with this statement. I’m a huge Nintendo fan but this one time I’ll say let’s discount the Wii. If you compare the PS3 vs the 360 the first item of note is that the 360 had a HUGE headstart last time. Sony thought that since everyone loves Sony and the PS2 they could release it whenever at whatever price and people would be happy. If Sony has learned anything this generation it has been a dash of humility.

    They learned that just because it says playstation doesn’t mean most of us will buy it at whatever price they set. Telling us to get two jobs isn’t cool. They learned that the jump start the xbox had (2 years?) was way too long as they’re only just starting to make headway to catch up. (and no you can’t use the argument that if the PS3 came out at the same time as the 360 it’s sales would be stronger, we don’t live a vacuum it’s perfectly reasonable to assume that the 360 sold slower because there was no other console. I’m sure tons of people waited till they were both out to make their decision)

    Heck the only gamble they really made that worked out was Blu-Ray and I maintain that’s mostly because people don’t care about these HD discs. (which i assume is a reasonable argument I’ll do elsewhere) If there was an option to get a PS3 w/o a Blu-Ray for $100 cheaper like the HD-Drive for the 360 noone would have bought it. like the HD-Drive extension.

    To get back on topic: the idea that Sony is even going to release a console so soon given their ’10 year cycle’ is tenuous at this stage (I”m not saying it won’t happen but Sony made it very clear many times that they want to go 10 years and to call them a liar now is risky). The idea that they would wait out the full five years giving Microsoft another 2 year head start AGAIN just so they could stay in the black is insane. I’m going to have to vehemently disagree with that. There’s absolutely no way they would risk Microsoft taking a huge lead again. They’ll eat the loss. Easily. I’d do it and I don’t particularly like Sony. There’s no reason to wait and every reason not to. Waiting cost them first place.. or i guess it cost them 2nd place if I factor in the Wii again. The point is they were on top and now they’re on bottom and coming out late had a HUGE part to play in that. The real risky move would be to do what they say. Go 8 years. Don’t bother putting out a console next gen and ride out the PS3 then put the PS4 out with the 4th XBox they’ll be sitting on Nintendo amounts of money by then. Devs will be more intimate with the hardware than I am with my exs. In ‘theory’ it shouldn’t be looking that far outdated. Then PS4 could be a power house and Sony would again be on top. Now that’s a bit of excess speculation on my behalf but I use it only to justify why I completely discount your statement quoted above. If Sony waits two years every year to put out their system behind the 360 they’ll be in third place forever. Heck The fact that MSoft goes first at E3 is an annoying enough advantage and that’s a ‘trade show’, please don’t imply that they will ever be so callous with their bread and butter products.

  • wolfkin

    This comment you can delete after you read it. just an issue with your wordpress install.

    1) If you allow me to register and pick my password why do I have to enter a randomly generated password when I login. You might as well just take away that box that lets me pick my own password on registration

    2) your comment CSS you might want to do something with the blockquote element there. I used blockquote .. to quote and it looks the same as everything else. nothing fancy even just adding ‘em’ to it would let it seperate.

    That’s it.

  • Ernice Gilbert

    Thanks wolfkin, and thanks for joining GamesThirst…. We’re looking into the issues you mentioned as we speak. Thanks again. Make yourself at home : )

  • Ernice Gilbert

    “Don’t bother putting out a console next gen and ride out the PS3 then put the PS4 out with the 4th XBox they’ll be sitting on Nintendo amounts of money by then. Devs will be more intimate with the hardware than I am with my exs.”

    Liked that statement. Your other points are valid. In the end, Sony will have to eat their loss and jump in whenever Microsoft’s jumping in.

    By the way, I read your entire comment ; )

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  • NamelessTed

    I didn’t mean to make it sound like Ernice is a Sony fanboy, I realize that he isn’t. What I was trying to say was that the article reads like it was written by a fanboy in fantasy land. I should note that I am completely willing to admit that I am a bit of a Microsoft fan right now, though that is always subject to change (I hated the original Xbox.)

  • Ernice Gilbert

    I guess my question would be, what made you a Microsoft fan? It’s always interesting to know where loyalty got its roots. Whether it’s Microsoft, Sony, or Nintendo. It’s always interesting…

  • NamelessTed

    I think it boils down to the fact that I spend WAY more time playing my Xbox 360 than I do the PS3 or Wii. The Wii is fun to play around with, and I have played some great games on the PS3 (Uncharted 2, Heavy Rain) but I always end up going back to the Xbox 360.

    To me, Microsoft started everything that has become standard in this generation. They have developed LIVE into what is easily the best online experience of all the consoles. They also made downloadable games and DLC a standard in the console realm. We wouldn’t have Virtual Console on the Wii or the DSi if it weren’t for the Xbox 360.

    I also love teh achievements system. It just adds a new layer on top of games. Sony tried to mirror that system with their Trophies but it doesn’t work nearly as well as the Achievement point system does.

    You also have all of the stuff that comes with LIVE. Cross game party chat is something that I use almost daily and something that would be very difficult to adjust to not having. Streaming Netflix is also amazing. I realize that Wii and PS3 also have it but the interfaces don’t even compare, everything about Netflix is better on the Xbox 360.

    I could list plenty of other reasons why I lean towards Microsoft. In general, I think what they are doing right now is the best for developers, publishers, and gamers. Even though I am generally a fan of Microsoft, that doesn’t mean that I can’t be critical of them I think they could do a lot to further improve LIVE. I also think they need to really expand their Games on Demand with new games, and learn a lesson from Valve and have bigger sales on games to spur interest. They seem to have pretty much given up on Games for Windows too which is a damn shame because I think it has A LOT of potential and I think they could put out a product that is better than Steam if they really put the right effort into it.

    Right now, Microsoft is the best but that can always change. EA used to be “evil” but they are one of the better publishers, in my opinion. long post is long.

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  • Ernice Gilbert

    Long post is long indeed, but you make a lot of valid points. Some, though, I’d disagree with:

    I’m not sure Microsoft has done everything that’s become standard in this generation, in fact, many would argue that, to some extent, they’ve held back this, the seventh generation of consoles in many ways.

    One of the more noticeable one is the limited space the Xbox 360 offers because of its DVD format. Just recently, Mercury Steam devs complained about the limited space and how because of it Castlevania: Lords of Shadow has to be released on two dvds for the Xbox 360.

    Just look at it, the games that are pushing the development boundaries now, most of them, are on PS3. From Uncharted 2, to Heavy Rain, to Killzone 3, inFamous 2 and the upcoming GT5. These games have and will achieve new heights that hasn’t been accomplished on any other platform, ever.

    Sony’s also pushing 3D to the next level, with games like GT5 and Killzone 3 being compatible.

    The list is long. So to say it’s all Microsoft this gen, is not totally correct. Not by a long short.

  • nick

    i seriously can not see a successor to the 360 releasing any time before 2012 its too early!
    were still yet to see what the console can do, RAGE and crysis 2 are top trumps for what we have seen and there not releasing till next year.
    i seriously doubt were going to see one year of amazing titles than ms cuts the cord.
    2 kinect is just releasing late this year, its cost them a boat load of cash so if there going to release a new console in 1 year after kinects release why not just hold it off to the new console?
    that way they could use it as a launch device, and expand on it because the new console would be much more powerful.
    my games dev teacher has released a few games on XBLA and hes always said he cant see any new consoles releasing till 2013 at the absolute earliest.
    its just too early, as many companies and analysts have said this gen is going to last longer than previous ones because the rate its evolving, and the cost involved.

  • wolfkin

    whoa NamelessTed has the wrong of it in a few ways. I’ll fully give you that Live sounds awesome. Unfortunately I don’t see why I should pay to play so I’ll probably never use it but I won’t say it isn’t big. As for DLC. The game industry has been trying to do that for decades, I’ll give MS success points for finally getting it right but it’s not like they came up with the idea. So no innovation points for themAchievements/Trophies work well enough the same. Sure some people count their trophies by number and some count by level but they’re not so different from Achievements that anyone can fairly say “Achievements are hands down better”. Personally I think people tend to forget that this new wave has done two things. 1) It has made useless collectibles far more common. I have to hunt down 1000 paper bags to get what? nothing but a gold trophy? More games need to at least do it old school like inFamous those orbs at least gave you more power 2) Less unlockables, collectibles used to unlock things, that’s becoming more rare now as they’ll just give you a few a-points and put the unlockables on DLC. This sucks.As for NetFlix conventional wisdom (by which I mean pretty much every single article I’ve read comparing the two) says that the Wii has the best interface for NetFlix. I mean your controller was designed to resemble a remote control anyway that shouldn’t be a surprise. Sure it doesn’t have HD which doesn’t matter to the many people like me who still rock composite cables (I’m even rocking Mono right now) but in terms of pure User Interface experience the Wii > 360/PS3. yes I’ll admit I haven’t read every single article in existence on the topic but I’ve read quite a fewGames for Windows Live: was a terrible .. well execution. It was a pretty bad idea but the execution made a bad idea into a terrible product. If you think I’m being ornery over paying for XBL (resisting. urge. to. rant.) and then you want to bring that to the PC? You’re Steam comparison is a good one and as much as I love Steam I’m sure it’d be nice to have a competitor I guess. That’s not what GFWL was about. It was basically about trying to bring XBL to PC. Sounds good on paper but noone is going to pay for a unnecessary and bothersome layer on top of their CPU. After all the PC guys tend to be the geekiest of the geeks. The overclockers, the modders (the REAL modders), the hackers, the crackers, the DIYers, the multi-booters, the coders. they’re the ones who crack your DRM, slide thru the firewalls on your computers. Heck they’re the ones cracking your Xbox. The ‘walled-garden’ approach hasn’t been popular since the AOL days and even then none of us IN the garden got respect from the true nerd outside it. Steam has DRM sure but on top of being priced VERY VERY competitively, Steam has Valve going for it and more importantly it respects my PC needs. :stopping myself here:I’m not even going beyond just a mention of the hardware issues because honestly Microsoft has done a lot of things right this generation. I could listen to arguments that they’ve done more right than Nintendo and Sony (and probably disagree but I’d listen) but still, they haven’t done everything right. I couldn’t care less if they charged me out the wazoo for everything else. If I just want to play with my friends I don’t see why I should pay. If they made playing free you’d see XBL subscriptions landslide. People don’t LIKE XBL but they have to buy it so they do. It’s the same with the PS3 and Blu-Ray and it’s the same with Nintendo and ‘lack of HD’. Just because we bought it they think we like it, in truth there’s no choice. DRM nightmares are apparently quite common, especially the offline ones. I was just hearing about one today on BuGaNe. The proprietary harddrives bump up the cost hugely to MSoft for no reason, I hear wireless adapters are insidiously expensive. With the new consoles I understand they’re forking. Old Harddrives don’t work on new systems? (is that just the arcade or not?)if you’re a fan of MS that’s cool. whatever, they’ve done a lot to earn praise. But if you think MS has done everything right and is the darling of the games industry you’re delusional.

  • wolfkin

    whoa NamelessTed has the wrong of it in a few ways. I’ll fully give you that Live sounds awesome. Unfortunately I don’t see why I should pay to play so I’ll probably never use it but I won’t say it isn’t big. As for DLC. The game industry has been trying to do that for decades, I’ll give MS success points for finally getting it right but it’s not like they came up with the idea. So no innovation points for them

    Achievements/Trophies work well enough the same. Sure some people count their trophies by number and some count by level but they’re not so different from Achievements that anyone can fairly say “Achievements are hands down better”. Personally I think people tend to forget that this new wave has done two things. 1) It has made useless collectibles far more common. I have to hunt down 1000 paper bags to get what? nothing but a gold trophy? More games need to at least do it old school like inFamous those orbs at least gave you more power 2) Less unlockables, collectibles used to unlock things, that’s becoming more rare now as they’ll just give you a few a-points and put the unlockables on DLC. This sucks.

    As for NetFlix conventional wisdom (by which I mean pretty much every single article I’ve read comparing the two) says that the Wii has the best interface for NetFlix. I mean your controller was designed to resemble a remote control anyway that shouldn’t be a surprise. Sure it doesn’t have HD which doesn’t matter to the many people like me who still rock composite cables (I’m even rocking Mono right now) but in terms of pure User Interface experience the Wii > 360/PS3. yes I’ll admit I haven’t read every single article in existence on the topic but I’ve read quite a few

    Games for Windows Live: was a terrible .. well execution. It was a pretty bad idea but the execution made a bad idea into a terrible product. If you think I’m being ornery over paying for XBL (resisting. urge. to. rant.) and then you want to bring that to the PC? You’re Steam comparison is a good one and as much as I love Steam I’m sure it’d be nice to have a competitor I guess. That’s not what GFWL was about. It was basically about trying to bring XBL to PC. Sounds good on paper but noone is going to pay for a unnecessary and bothersome layer on top of their CPU. After all the PC guys tend to be the geekiest of the geeks. The overclockers, the modders (the REAL modders), the hackers, the crackers, the DIYers, the multi-booters, the coders. they’re the ones who crack your DRM, slide thru the firewalls on your computers. Heck they’re the ones cracking your Xbox. The ‘walled-garden’ approach hasn’t been popular since the AOL days and even then none of us IN the garden got respect from the true nerd outside it. Steam has DRM sure but on top of being priced VERY VERY competitively, Steam has Valve going for it and more importantly it respects my PC needs. :stopping myself here:

    I’m not even going beyond just a mention of the hardware issues because honestly Microsoft has done a lot of things right this generation. I could listen to arguments that they’ve done more right than Nintendo and Sony (and probably disagree but I’d listen) but still, they haven’t done everything right. I couldn’t care less if they charged me out the wazoo for everything else. If I just want to play with my friends I don’t see why I should pay. If they made playing free you’d see XBL subscriptions landslide. People don’t LIKE XBL but they have to buy it so they do. It’s the same with the PS3 and Blu-Ray and it’s the same with Nintendo and ‘lack of HD’. Just because we bought it they think we like it, in truth there’s no choice. DRM nightmares are apparently quite common, especially the offline ones. I was just hearing about one today on BuGaNe. The proprietary harddrives bump up the cost hugely to MSoft for no reason, I hear wireless adapters are insidiously expensive. With the new consoles I understand they’re forking. Old Harddrives don’t work on new systems? (is that just the arcade or not?)

    if you’re a fan of MS that’s cool. whatever, they’ve done a lot to earn praise. But if you think MS has done everything right and is the darling of the games industry you’re delusional.

  • Boyatsea

    What absolute fanboy nonsense. Even the most cursory glance at worldwide sales figures shows that, in every territory other than Japan, Xbox 360 is easily outselling PlayStation 3.

    It’ll be Sony that moves before Microsoft next generation, as the PS3 is effectively stuck in third place this generation and is showing no signs of making up any real ground.

    You simply proclaiming the 360 a ‘dead duck’ and adding ‘4’ to the end of a load of Sony franchises does not a good article make.

  • Ernice Gilbert

    @ Nick. That the time 2012 rolls in, it’ll be 8yrs since the Xbox 360 came on the scene, by then, Microsoft will have to release a new console….

  • Ernice Gilbert

    Look closer Boyatsea, dig deep and realize for yourself who’s being the fanboy here.

  • Boyatsea

    Ernice, don’t be daft. It’s an entirely delusional piece and you know it. Fair enough – that’s your opinion.

    But to present it as some kind of fact – and for GamesThirst to publish it as news – just makes you look out of your depth as a writer, and the website as a whole hopelessly amateur.

    There are plenty of analysts who predict brighter days for PS3 – and, indeed, have the evidence to back it up. But to simply roll out your personal views – based on nothing more than your own hopes – as fact in an article is ridiculous.

  • Ernice Gilbert

    Anybody reading this piece would instantly know it’s an article. The reason it’s tagged under news is for other reasons. If you knew how websites work then you’d understand. What you don’t see is that the piece is also filed under article, but you can’t see that……

    Anyways, welcome to GamesThirst, make yourself at home.

  • NamelessTed

    I get that a lot of people don’t like paying $50 per year for Xbox LIVE but to me, it is totally worth it. I have seen LIVE grow from something tiny into what it is today. For every year I have had LIVE, it has been the thing I use more than anything else on the system so the price is more than justified.

    I think it is mind-blowing that people pay $15 every single month just so they can play World of Warcraft online. That is just one game and it turns into $180 every year to play it. I think LIVE is more than worth everything I get for the $50 each year.

    I do think Microsoft has the opportunity right now to start offering more services for free, however. In the beginning, online play was all they had. Now they have party chat, and webcam chat, and netflix, Hulu coming soon, last.fm, facebook, twitter, ESPN, skyTV (in UK), and plenty of other stuff.

    I think Microsoft will be growing their LIVE platform even further in the next year or so and might eventually be able to justify offering more services for free. I don’t know if free online play will be in the cards in the short-term though.

    I should also point out that I hate crappy achievements. There are games that have amazing achievements but other devs either don’t understand or are just lazy when it comes to them. The adding of a boat load of collectible is inexcusable. But, achievements like in Alan Wake where it challenges you to get through an entire episode without firing your gun, THAT is a great achievement. It adds re-playability to the game and you get an entirely different experience from the game.

    There is plenty more to talk about on this subject but I feel that comments aren’t the best way to do it. As long as everybody involved is level heading, conversations like this are great for podcasts because I think most people can get their points across better.

    Also, multiple DVDs do suck. I LOVE Mass Effect 2 to death, but the two disc system can be a little bit annoying. In fairness though, Microsoft didn’t have much choice.

  • Ernice Gilbert

    No they didn’t, in all fairness to them. We’ve been considering a podcast, NamelessTed, and I’m starting to think we should go ahead with it. As for LIVE, it’s better than PSN for sure, and the contrast you made with WoW really caused me to pause and think.

    And I do think that LIVE is worth every dime.

    Great comment, however.

  • Boyatsea

    Ernice – I know how websites work. I’ve worked for plenty in my time, thanks. And, as such, I’m telling you from a non-fanboy, non-biased perspective; this article is especially amateur and, worse than that, completely unsourced.
    If you want my advice, you’ll strip back your own wants and desires and take a real, detailed look and how PS3 is fairing and, as such, how that’s likely to influence Sony’s decisions in the run up to PS4.
    Here, you’ve neither given an accurate account of the current situation – your take on the Xbox 360’s predicament, as it enters the strongest sales in the last three years, is laughable. Likewise, there’s no point whitewashing PS3 as a massive success, or indeed, as part of some kind of wider strategy.
    Sony have made some huge fudges this generation – E3 2006, SixAxis, original PS3 design, price, etc etc – and it’s only by acknowledging these, rather than trying to suggest that everything has gone just as Sony had planned, that’ll you’ll begin to touch on just what kind of console we’re likely to see with PS4.
    As a writer, you’ve got to back up every argument you make with facts, otherwise the whole thing falls apart and any predictions you make ultimately look like they’ve come from the back of a fag packet.

  • Ernice Gilbert

    Alright Boyetsea, I see some of your points. But if you read the article properly, you’d realize that I never painted the mistakes Sony made with the PS3 as some kind of big, long term strategy.

    Also, an article is one’s opinion, if you find it hard to accept, then, I guess, no one should write them. Just the other day, I read a piece from another site that claimed Uncharted 3 will be the best game ever made.

    What? How can he say that, right? Well, at the end of the day, it’s the writer’s opinion and he writes interesting articles so his base could read and have a great discussion over.

    Learn to take life a bit more light. Can’t be so serious. It’s not like I was lying on anyone, or misquoting anybody.

  • Boyatsea

    Justifying one bad article by saying ‘others do it’ is no justification, really.

    Yes, articles can have opinions, but they have to be backed up by sources – not only is that an important way to distinguish your view from everyone else’s, it’s also part of the fun for the reader. It makes it genuinely interesting and thought provoking.

    What you’re written here is essentially a diary entry, or a blog post. You might not see that as an especially big deal, but by presenting it as an article, you’re essentially dragging down the site.

    If you’re going to do a piece, do it properly; just what Sony has in store for PS4 could be a really good article if you do some research, grab some quotes. So, why not do it?

  • Ernice Gilbert

    Good idea, I guess I could visit take the challenge in the near future. In the mean time, though, we’ll continue to bring news, articles and opinion pieces. Hope you enjoy them, as much as you enjoyed this one ; )

    You’re official now, share your thoughts on the other threads!

  • http://www.gamesthirst.com newyearnewrule

    I remember this! Awesome article. Far from believable, though. More and more talk is that PS4 will release next year or early 2013.

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