Usually posts some incredibly fascinating stuff like this. If you’re new to this site.

SOURCE: http://www.gamespot.com/forums…

“It surprises me how little most hermits on this board know about PC hardware. Not all of you, some of you are great and know what you’re talking about. But most of you are really ridiculous.

Here are a few points I have not really seen even mentioned here before and it’s pretty surprising.

1. Apples to Oranges – Some of you are comparing the PS4 components against a PC as if they were both gaming PCs. You guys are forgetting that the PS4 is a dedicated gaming box. This means it doesn’t have to worry about running any other software and there is not big bloated OS to worry about either.

Imagine comparing a Cadillac Escalade with 300hp vs a Porsche Cayman with 300hp. They may have the same amount of horsepower but the Cayman was built for speed. It’s much lighter, more aerodynamic and will run much faster than the Escalade. Of course the Escalade is much more comfortable, fits more people, more luggage and has more luxury features. But if you’re only comparing speed, the Cayman is a lot faster.

Of course an Escalade can be faster than a Cayman, but not if they have the same amount of horsepower. Maybe if the Escalade had 600hp then it may be able to beat the Cayman in a straight line.

Anyway, you get the point. You can’t compare the ’7860′ in the PS3 directly to a PC with a 7850/7870 GPU. It doesn’t make a good direct comparison.

2. $$$Uber GPU$$$ – You love to talk about how super powerful PC GPUs are. The GTX 680 or the Titan are monsters. Ok but what you are forgetting is that 99% of the NEW GAMES these GPUs run, also run on the 360 and PS3. The only thing they are currently doing is higher res, more detailed textures, higher fps, higher AA and better lighting and shadow details.

But the games are built for the 360 and PS3. Why do you think it’s more relevant to compare the PS4 hardware to high end PC hardware(THAT IS NEVER TRULY UTILIZED) than to compare it to 360 and PS3 hardware that 99% of games are BUILT TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF?

Compare the PS4′s GPU to the 360 or PS3 GPUs. Then you will notice A HUGE JUMP! Compare the CPUs, again another big gap. The RAM, the PS3 has 16X the amount and 8X the speed, HUUUUUGE DIFFERENCE!!!

Those of us who are comparing the PS4 to current gen are the ones who are impressed. I know there are PCs out there that cost in the thousands of dollars that are more powerful but no one wants a super high priced console.

3. LET’S MISINFORM!!! – I love that thread recently where some Hermit claimed PCs were getting DDR5 RAM this year so that makes the PS4′s 8GB of DDR5 no longer impressive. However, that wasn’t really true.

What is great about DDR5 memory is the BANDWIDTH. In other words, the SPEED of the memory. The average PC today, even a gaming PC uses DDR3 RAM. DDR3 RAM with a typical speed of 1600Mhz has a memory bandwidth of around 25/Gbs. That’s roughly equal to the Xbox 360 and PS3!!! You got that, HIGH END PCS today use system RAM that is as SLOW as 360 and PS3 memory.

If you guys clicked the link in that thread it explained that the DDR5 memory that is coming to PCs this year will give us a bandwidth of around 50/Gbs which is double what we have now. But nowhere near the 176/Gbs that will be in the PS4.

The truth is that DDR5 is only coming at that speed in certain limited configurations. The real jump will be next year when ALL PCs move to DDR4 memory. But then the memory WILL NOT be running at 176/Gbs.

It will take YEARS for PCs to use system ram that run as fast as the PS4′s 8GB DDR5 Memory. Maybe by the time the PS5 is out, PCs will reach that point.

Conclusion – It’s a give and take when you are developing a console. You can’t have a super powerful system AND make it cheap AND have it run cool with low power consumption. Something’s got to give. If it’s uber powerful, it won’t be cheap or run cool. If it’s cheap, it won’t be powerful but can be power effecient. What the PS4 is accomplishing is a HUGE JUMP over current gen, while keeping a low price and a very elegant, power effecient design that will run very cool.

Why wouldn’t we be happy about consoles that are a massive leap ahead of what we have now but also will not overheat and be cheap? Because some Uninformed hermits are damage controlling and spreading misinformation? No, i’m excited for the PS4! Day one!!!””

Apples and Oranges.

One is a dedicated gaming technology which will use every juice as a gaming system and after all the creators, Sony and Microsoft is taking into account of Watt Usage and being Powerful as well at the same time whereas.

PC/MAC is an all in one machine which can deliver and all areas and has NO LIMITS to POWER/ WATTS CONSUMPTION, and an OS. Thus why it is superior no matter what.
(Except the ports, which to be quite frankly, would piss me off if I was an PC gamer)
Until the whole world can earn enough wage to all get their own gaming computer its highly unlikely.

“…I did some upgrades for around $200 and I’m getting as much power as a PS6″

“your typing this from what dipshit?” ~ Dan is Retarded

(Remove d**shit with “?”)

“”He has a point..

SOURCE: http://www.gamespot.com/forums…

“It surprises me how little most hermits on this board know about PC hardware. Not all of you, some of you are great and know what you’re talking about. But most of you are really ridiculous.

Here are a few points I have not really seen even mentioned here before and it’s pretty surprising.

1. Apples to Oranges – Some of you are comparing the PS4 components against a PC as if they were both gaming PCs. You guys are forgetting that the PS4 is a dedicated gaming box. This means it doesn’t have to worry about running any other software and there is not big bloated OS to worry about either.

Imagine comparing a Cadillac Escalade with 300hp vs a Porsche Cayman with 300hp. They may have the same amount of horsepower but the Cayman was built for speed. It’s much lighter, more aerodynamic and will run much faster than the Escalade. Of course the Escalade is much more comfortable, fits more people, more luggage and has more luxury features. But if you’re only comparing speed, the Cayman is a lot faster.

Of course an Escalade can be faster than a Cayman, but not if they have the same amount of horsepower. Maybe if the Escalade had 600hp then it may be able to beat the Cayman in a straight line.

Anyway, you get the point. You can’t compare the ’7860′ in the PS3 directly to a PC with a 7850/7870 GPU. It doesn’t make a good direct comparison.

2. $$$Uber GPU$$$ – You love to talk about how super powerful PC GPUs are. The GTX 680 or the Titan are monsters. Ok but what you are forgetting is that 99% of the NEW GAMES these GPUs run, also run on the 360 and PS3. The only thing they are currently doing is higher res, more detailed textures, higher fps, higher AA and better lighting and shadow details.

But the games are built for the 360 and PS3. Why do you think it’s more relevant to compare the PS4 hardware to high end PC hardware(THAT IS NEVER TRULY UTILIZED) than to compare it to 360 and PS3 hardware that 99% of games are BUILT TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF?

Compare the PS4′s GPU to the 360 or PS3 GPUs. Then you will notice A HUGE JUMP! Compare the CPUs, again another big gap. The RAM, the PS3 has 16X the amount and 8X the speed, HUUUUUGE DIFFERENCE!!!

Those of us who are comparing the PS4 to current gen are the ones who are impressed. I know there are PCs out there that cost in the thousands of dollars that are more powerful but no one wants a super high priced console.

3. LET’S MISINFORM!!! – I love that thread recently where some Hermit claimed PCs were getting DDR5 RAM this year so that makes the PS4′s 8GB of DDR5 no longer impressive. However, that wasn’t really true.

What is great about DDR5 memory is the BANDWIDTH. In other words, the SPEED of the memory. The average PC today, even a gaming PC uses DDR3 RAM. DDR3 RAM with a typical speed of 1600Mhz has a memory bandwidth of around 25/Gbs. That’s roughly equal to the Xbox 360 and PS3!!! You got that, HIGH END PCS today use system RAM that is as SLOW as 360 and PS3 memory.

If you guys clicked the link in that thread it explained that the DDR5 memory that is coming to PCs this year will give us a bandwidth of around 50/Gbs which is double what we have now. But nowhere near the 176/Gbs that will be in the PS4.

The truth is that DDR5 is only coming at that speed in certain limited configurations. The real jump will be next year when ALL PCs move to DDR4 memory. But then the memory WILL NOT be running at 176/Gbs.

It will take YEARS for PCs to use system ram that run as fast as the PS4′s 8GB DDR5 Memory. Maybe by the time the PS5 is out, PCs will reach that point.

Conclusion – It’s a give and take when you are developing a console. You can’t have a super powerful system AND make it cheap AND have it run cool with low power consumption. Something’s got to give. If it’s uber powerful, it won’t be cheap or run cool. If it’s cheap, it won’t be powerful but can be power effecient. What the PS4 is accomplishing is a HUGE JUMP over current gen, while keeping a low price and a very elegant, power effecient design that will run very cool.

Why wouldn’t we be happy about consoles that are a massive leap ahead of what we have now but also will not overheat and be cheap? Because some Uninformed hermits are damage controlling and spreading misinformation? No, i’m excited for the PS4! Day one!!!””

Apples and Oranges.

One is a dedicated gaming technology which will use every juice as a gaming system and after all the creators, Sony and Microsoft is taking into account of Watt Usage and being Powerful as well at the same time whereas.

PC/MAC is an all in one machine which can deliver and all areas and has NO LIMITS to POWER/ WATTS CONSUMPTION, and an OS. Thus why it is superior no matter what.
(Except the ports, which to be quite frankly, would piss me off if I was an PC gamer)
Until the whole world can earn enough wage to all get their own gaming computer its highly unlikely.

“…I did some upgrades for around $200 and I’m getting as much power as a PS6″

“your typing this from what dipshit?” ~ Dan is Retarded

(Remove d**shit with “?”)

http://www.mmobomb.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/planetside-2-screenshot.jpg

“http://images.vg247.com/current//2013/10/Killzone-Shadow-Fall1-1152×648.jpg”

Sorry if they are terrible screenshot examples

To be honest they are both on par.

I think its comparing Apple with Oranges as one said

“”
SOURCE: http://www.gamespot.com/forums…

“It surprises me how little most hermits on this board know about PC hardware. Not all of you, some of you are great and know what you’re talking about. But most of you are really ridiculous.

Here are a few points I have not really seen even mentioned here before and it’s pretty surprising.

1. Apples to Oranges – Some of you are comparing the PS4 components against a PC as if they were both gaming PCs. You guys are forgetting that the PS4 is a dedicated gaming box. This means it doesn’t have to worry about running any other software and there is not big bloated OS to worry about either.

Imagine comparing a Cadillac Escalade with 300hp vs a Porsche Cayman with 300hp. They may have the same amount of horsepower but the Cayman was built for speed. It’s much lighter, more aerodynamic and will run much faster than the Escalade. Of course the Escalade is much more comfortable, fits more people, more luggage and has more luxury features. But if you’re only comparing speed, the Cayman is a lot faster.

Of course an Escalade can be faster than a Cayman, but not if they have the same amount of horsepower. Maybe if the Escalade had 600hp then it may be able to beat the Cayman in a straight line.

Anyway, you get the point. You can’t compare the ’7860′ in the PS3 directly to a PC with a 7850/7870 GPU. It doesn’t make a good direct comparison.

2. $$$Uber GPU$$$ – You love to talk about how super powerful PC GPUs are. The GTX 680 or the Titan are monsters. Ok but what you are forgetting is that 99% of the NEW GAMES these GPUs run, also run on the 360 and PS3. The only thing they are currently doing is higher res, more detailed textures, higher fps, higher AA and better lighting and shadow details.

But the games are built for the 360 and PS3. Why do you think it’s more relevant to compare the PS4 hardware to high end PC hardware(THAT IS NEVER TRULY UTILIZED) than to compare it to 360 and PS3 hardware that 99% of games are BUILT TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF?

Compare the PS4′s GPU to the 360 or PS3 GPUs. Then you will notice A HUGE JUMP! Compare the CPUs, again another big gap. The RAM, the PS3 has 16X the amount and 8X the speed, HUUUUUGE DIFFERENCE!!!

Those of us who are comparing the PS4 to current gen are the ones who are impressed. I know there are PCs out there that cost in the thousands of dollars that are more powerful but no one wants a super high priced console.

3. LET’S MISINFORM!!! – I love that thread recently where some Hermit claimed PCs were getting DDR5 RAM this year so that makes the PS4′s 8GB of DDR5 no longer impressive. However, that wasn’t really true.

What is great about DDR5 memory is the BANDWIDTH. In other words, the SPEED of the memory. The average PC today, even a gaming PC uses DDR3 RAM. DDR3 RAM with a typical speed of 1600Mhz has a memory bandwidth of around 25/Gbs. That’s roughly equal to the Xbox 360 and PS3!!! You got that, HIGH END PCS today use system RAM that is as SLOW as 360 and PS3 memory.

If you guys clicked the link in that thread it explained that the DDR5 memory that is coming to PCs this year will give us a bandwidth of around 50/Gbs which is double what we have now. But nowhere near the 176/Gbs that will be in the PS4.

The truth is that DDR5 is only coming at that speed in certain limited configurations. The real jump will be next year when ALL PCs move to DDR4 memory. But then the memory WILL NOT be running at 176/Gbs.

It will take YEARS for PCs to use system ram that run as fast as the PS4′s 8GB DDR5 Memory. Maybe by the time the PS5 is out, PCs will reach that point.

Conclusion – It’s a give and take when you are developing a console. You can’t have a super powerful system AND make it cheap AND have it run cool with low power consumption. Something’s got to give. If it’s uber powerful, it won’t be cheap or run cool. If it’s cheap, it won’t be powerful but can be power effecient. What the PS4 is accomplishing is a HUGE JUMP over current gen, while keeping a low price and a very elegant, power effecient design that will run very cool.

Why wouldn’t we be happy about consoles that are a massive leap ahead of what we have now but also will not overheat and be cheap? Because some Uninformed hermits are damage controlling and spreading misinformation? No, i’m excited for the PS4! Day one!!!

Discuss””

sums it up i guess…

its strange, honestly im baffled by how it will work. (in general)

(I may be a console gamer, regardless, I understand how it is done, (eg cheap and powerful hardware parts etc))

(Plays Playstation 3, so do not bash me for being a “insert generic pc insult”)

I know, im a console gamer and im baffled at his misunderstanding…

“He has a point..
SOURCE: http://www.gamespot.com/forums/system-wars-314159282/ps4-vs-high-end-pc-what-you-guys-dont-know-29368024/

“It surprises me how little most hermits on this board know about PC hardware. Not all of you, some of you are great and know what you’re talking about. But most of you are really ridiculous.

Here are a few points I have not really seen even mentioned here before and it’s pretty surprising.

1. Apples to Oranges – Some of you are comparing the PS4 components against a PC as if they were both gaming PCs. You guys are forgetting that the PS4 is a dedicated gaming box. This means it doesn’t have to worry about running any other software and there is not big bloated OS to worry about either.

Imagine comparing a Cadillac Escalade with 300hp vs a Porsche Cayman with 300hp. They may have the same amount of horsepower but the Cayman was built for speed. It’s much lighter, more aerodynamic and will run much faster than the Escalade. Of course the Escalade is much more comfortable, fits more people, more luggage and has more luxury features. But if you’re only comparing speed, the Cayman is a lot faster.

Of course an Escalade can be faster than a Cayman, but not if they have the same amount of horsepower. Maybe if the Escalade had 600hp then it may be able to beat the Cayman in a straight line.

Anyway, you get the point. You can’t compare the ’7860′ in the PS3 directly to a PC with a 7850/7870 GPU. It doesn’t make a good direct comparison.

2. $$$Uber GPU$$$ – You love to talk about how super powerful PC GPUs are. The GTX 680 or the Titan are monsters. Ok but what you are forgetting is that 99% of the NEW GAMES these GPUs run, also run on the 360 and PS3. The only thing they are currently doing is higher res, more detailed textures, higher fps, higher AA and better lighting and shadow details.

But the games are built for the 360 and PS3. Why do you think it’s more relevant to compare the PS4 hardware to high end PC hardware(THAT IS NEVER TRULY UTILIZED) than to compare it to 360 and PS3 hardware that 99% of games are BUILT TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF?

Compare the PS4′s GPU to the 360 or PS3 GPUs. Then you will notice A HUGE JUMP! Compare the CPUs, again another big gap. The RAM, the PS3 has 16X the amount and 8X the speed, HUUUUUGE DIFFERENCE!!!

Those of us who are comparing the PS4 to current gen are the ones who are impressed. I know there are PCs out there that cost in the thousands of dollars that are more powerful but no one wants a super high priced console.

3. LET’S MISINFORM!!! – I love that thread recently where some Hermit claimed PCs were getting DDR5 RAM this year so that makes the PS4′s 8GB of DDR5 no longer impressive. However, that wasn’t really true.

What is great about DDR5 memory is the BANDWIDTH. In other words, the SPEED of the memory. The average PC today, even a gaming PC uses DDR3 RAM. DDR3 RAM with a typical speed of 1600Mhz has a memory bandwidth of around 25/Gbs. That’s roughly equal to the Xbox 360 and PS3!!! You got that, HIGH END PCS today use system RAM that is as SLOW as 360 and PS3 memory.

If you guys clicked the link in that thread it explained that the DDR5 memory that is coming to PCs this year will give us a bandwidth of around 50/Gbs which is double what we have now. But nowhere near the 176/Gbs that will be in the PS4.

The truth is that DDR5 is only coming at that speed in certain limited configurations. The real jump will be next year when ALL PCs move to DDR4 memory. But then the memory WILL NOT be running at 176/Gbs.

It will take YEARS for PCs to use system ram that run as fast as the PS4′s 8GB DDR5 Memory. Maybe by the time the PS5 is out, PCs will reach that point.

Conclusion – It’s a give and take when you are developing a console. You can’t have a super powerful system AND make it cheap AND have it run cool with low power consumption. Something’s got to give. If it’s uber powerful, it won’t be cheap or run cool. If it’s cheap, it won’t be powerful but can be power effecient. What the PS4 is accomplishing is a HUGE JUMP over current gen, while keeping a low price and a very elegant, power effecient design that will run very cool.

Why wouldn’t we be happy about consoles that are a massive leap ahead of what we have now but also will not overheat and be cheap? Because some Uninformed hermits are damage controlling and spreading misinformation? No, i’m excited for the PS4! Day one!!!

Discuss”

and PS4 and reach 720p – 1080p (otherwise upscaled)

SOURCE: http://www.gamespot.com/forums/system-wars-314159282/ps4-vs-high-end-pc-what-you-guys-dont-know-29368024/

“It surprises me how little most hermits on this board know about PC hardware. Not all of you, some of you are great and know what you’re talking about. But most of you are really ridiculous.

Here are a few points I have not really seen even mentioned here before and it’s pretty surprising.

1. Apples to Oranges – Some of you are comparing the PS4 components against a PC as if they were both gaming PCs. You guys are forgetting that the PS4 is a dedicated gaming box. This means it doesn’t have to worry about running any other software and there is not big bloated OS to worry about either.

Imagine comparing a Cadillac Escalade with 300hp vs a Porsche Cayman with 300hp. They may have the same amount of horsepower but the Cayman was built for speed. It’s much lighter, more aerodynamic and will run much faster than the Escalade. Of course the Escalade is much more comfortable, fits more people, more luggage and has more luxury features. But if you’re only comparing speed, the Cayman is a lot faster.

Of course an Escalade can be faster than a Cayman, but not if they have the same amount of horsepower. Maybe if the Escalade had 600hp then it may be able to beat the Cayman in a straight line.

Anyway, you get the point. You can’t compare the ’7860′ in the PS3 directly to a PC with a 7850/7870 GPU. It doesn’t make a good direct comparison.

2. $$$Uber GPU$$$ – You love to talk about how super powerful PC GPUs are. The GTX 680 or the Titan are monsters. Ok but what you are forgetting is that 99% of the NEW GAMES these GPUs run, also run on the 360 and PS3. The only thing they are currently doing is higher res, more detailed textures, higher fps, higher AA and better lighting and shadow details.

But the games are built for the 360 and PS3. Why do you think it’s more relevant to compare the PS4 hardware to high end PC hardware(THAT IS NEVER TRULY UTILIZED) than to compare it to 360 and PS3 hardware that 99% of games are BUILT TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF?

Compare the PS4′s GPU to the 360 or PS3 GPUs. Then you will notice A HUGE JUMP! Compare the CPUs, again another big gap. The RAM, the PS3 has 16X the amount and 8X the speed, HUUUUUGE DIFFERENCE!!!

Those of us who are comparing the PS4 to current gen are the ones who are impressed. I know there are PCs out there that cost in the thousands of dollars that are more powerful but no one wants a super high priced console.

3. LET’S MISINFORM!!! – I love that thread recently where some Hermit claimed PCs were getting DDR5 RAM this year so that makes the PS4′s 8GB of DDR5 no longer impressive. However, that wasn’t really true.

What is great about DDR5 memory is the BANDWIDTH. In other words, the SPEED of the memory. The average PC today, even a gaming PC uses DDR3 RAM. DDR3 RAM with a typical speed of 1600Mhz has a memory bandwidth of around 25/Gbs. That’s roughly equal to the Xbox 360 and PS3!!! You got that, HIGH END PCS today use system RAM that is as SLOW as 360 and PS3 memory.

If you guys clicked the link in that thread it explained that the DDR5 memory that is coming to PCs this year will give us a bandwidth of around 50/Gbs which is double what we have now. But nowhere near the 176/Gbs that will be in the PS4.

The truth is that DDR5 is only coming at that speed in certain limited configurations. The real jump will be next year when ALL PCs move to DDR4 memory. But then the memory WILL NOT be running at 176/Gbs.

It will take YEARS for PCs to use system ram that run as fast as the PS4′s 8GB DDR5 Memory. Maybe by the time the PS5 is out, PCs will reach that point.

Conclusion – It’s a give and take when you are developing a console. You can’t have a super powerful system AND make it cheap AND have it run cool with low power consumption. Something’s got to give. If it’s uber powerful, it won’t be cheap or run cool. If it’s cheap, it won’t be powerful but can be power effecient. What the PS4 is accomplishing is a HUGE JUMP over current gen, while keeping a low price and a very elegant, power effecient design that will run very cool.

Why wouldn’t we be happy about consoles that are a massive leap ahead of what we have now but also will not overheat and be cheap? Because some Uninformed hermits are damage controlling and spreading misinformation? No, i’m excited for the PS4! Day one!!!

Discuss”

Open World Consoles vs Open World PC

Huge difference (Last Gen vs PC) Minimal (Current Gen vs PC)

EG Watch Dogs for example.